When they do close-ups on props in the TNG remaster and you see it's just painted wood, but there's a metallic SFX and you start noticing things like that everywhere.
Little things in Trek that just bug you...
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Worf and Deanna - that wasn't a match. Jadzia and Worf were better as couple. Deanna was good as caregiver for Alexander. For this Worf was grateful. Nothing more.
I remember one time watching Insurrection, when Dr. Crusher scans an injured Son'a and discovers the truth of their identity, they go on a close-up of the tricorder screen and it's clearly just a painted prop. It stood out this time because earlier that day I had been watching a Voyager episode which did insert an animated graphic on the tricorder screen which did incorporate an animated graphic. I found it amusing that they did take that into consideration on a TV show, but not a movie.
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I think the cast was too big. Particularly in the early seasons. There are a lot of scenes where characters seem to be shoehorned in for no other reason other than to give the actors something to do.
I'm also not too crazy about the costuming for a lot of characters. The footy pajama look, I mean.
I'm also not too crazy about the costuming for a lot of characters. The footy pajama look, I mean.
I thought Worf and Deanna had an opposites attract thing going for them. I think if they had paired them up earlier in the series, they would have had a chance to sell the romance better.
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marlboro
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Yeah, it seemed rushed. I think some of the romances on DS9 suffered from the same problem. Tom and B'elanna on Voyager, Odo and Kira on DS9 were handled well, I think. The Seven/Chakotay and Troi/Worf relationships came out of left field.
One of the functions of the TOS Enterprise is to be a major space warship, sort of like a space battleship. On Earth major sea warships had crews that varied greatly in numbers, from a few hundred per ship to a few thousand per ship.
During the Napoleonic Wars for example, the British rating system called for first, second, third, and fourth rate warships to fight in the line of battle, with standard crews of 850-875, 700-750, 500-650, and 320-420 men, so only a fourth rate had a crew the size of the Enterprise's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rating_system_of_the_Royal_Navy
Four major warships fought at the Battle of the Denmark Strait 24 May 1941. The battle cruiser HMS Hood exploded, three men survived, 1,415 died. The battleship HMS Prince of Wales was later sunk by Japanese planes on 10 December 1941, 327 died out of 1,521.
The battleship Bismarck was sunk by British planes and ships 27 May 1941, 114 men survived out of over 2,200. The heavy cruiser Prince Eugen had a complement of 1,382 officers and men, only 115 died during the war.
The Nimitz class aircraft carrier George H.W. Bush has a compliment of 3,200 plus 2,840 in the air wing.
So the Enterprise crew is on the small side for a major space warship if compared to major sea warships on Earth.
And in "Operation Annihilate!" Kirk says:
http://scriptsearch.dxdy.name/?page=results&query=({line|science labs,})
Suppose that each lab has four people working in each shift and three shifts or watches per day. Then they would need a total of 168 persons working in the labs. I find it easy to believe that there could be one or two hundred people working in the Enterprise labs.
In "Space Seed":
IN "Who Mourns for Adonais?":
Note that in "Charlie X":
But in the time of Captain Pike, according to "Menagerie, Part 1":
That is a difference of 225. Perhaps at the time of the voyage to Rigel VII and Talos IV, the Enterprise had only the scientific and engineering personnel and not the military personnel, or the military and engineering personnel and not the scientific, and then in the era of TOS the Enterprise had both.
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Ass-pull technobabble solutions. Mostly seen in Voyager. Paraphrasing from "The Swarm"
"Phasers don't work on them!"
"[meaningless babytalk]"
"Yes! The phasers work now!"
*cut to credits*
Absolutely. Listening to engineers spout almost incomprehensible and random jargon is often distracting; as though the writers simply hope the viewers will never think to question what they’re hearing.
"Ensign! Use the ship's dilithium crystals to localise a source of radiation on the planet! While you’re at it, double up the main sensor bandwidth so we can recalibrate the thermal interferometer scanner! Then energise the focal array and initiate the subspace tensor matrix!"
Vomiting nonsensical combinations of ultra-technological terms is an annoying Star Trek mainstay, and it happened all the time on Voyager in particular as a solution to the plot. It's completely unsatisfying.
Of course if you could listen to a real conversation in a real space emergency 400 years in the future it would sound like technobabble to you because you wouldn't understand it. Technical jargon that the 21st century audience doesn't understand is the most plausible and believable part of those stories - not the specific words and phrases used, because the writers can't understand future tech anymore than we can - but the fact that the words used have no meaning to early 21st century persons. I'd like to see you imagine how such a future discussion could avoid incomprehensible and to you nonsensical word word combinations.
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Having 400+ people onboard allows team b to take over if members of team a are badly hurt. The scientists aboard who don't go/when not going on away missions work on their private projects in their labs aboard the Enterprise, or work with readings gathered by the ship in real time, while they're there. Much easier to have the physicists aboard ask "hey, can you make another pass? we need more readings on that solar storm" than to have scientists lightyears away have first crack at the secondhand readings and have to make their own trip out there if they want anything more, or miss a phenomenon because it's over by the time you can send a science ship.
People moving and even talking during transport. Your having your molecules taken apart one at a time. If you were conscious enough to do anything while this is happening it most likely would you yelling "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" in pain at what your experiencing.
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When they say "degrees kelvin", revealing the writers have no clue about physics, which annoys me in a sci-fi show. Happens all the time, in different series.
Watched a TAS episode today where Spock actually said "20 kelvin". God, thank you! The guys who made that cartoon series had a better understanding of physics than the guys who made Voyager etc.
And when anyone feels really ill or wrong, 80% of the time they say "no, it's nothing" and try to go on doing their job, putting themselves and the crew at risk. So f*cking unprofessional and irresponsible.
Watched a TAS episode today where Spock actually said "20 kelvin". God, thank you! The guys who made that cartoon series had a better understanding of physics than the guys who made Voyager etc.
And when anyone feels really ill or wrong, 80% of the time they say "no, it's nothing" and try to go on doing their job, putting themselves and the crew at risk. So f*cking unprofessional and irresponsible.
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I loved it 1982 and still do today.
It’s less intrusive of my suspended disbelief than everyone standing still while the camera was locked down.
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I think we're supposed to interpret it in a Marxist way, not as "nobody owns anything".
In communism, there is a distinction between private and personal property.
Simply put:
- Your toothbrush, your clothes, your home, ... are personal properties. They're items for your personal use.
- Your factory, your farmland, ...are private property. They're the means of production.
(of course, sometimes the distinction is hard to make: is that painting in your hall personal or a private property? An investment of a rare painting would be private, a dirt cheap printed copy of it would be personal. Then again, in a moneyless society, that doesn't matter so much)
So, "no private ownership" could simply refer to the latter. So, in your list, the only problematic item is Chateau Picard, and even then, only the fields.
Still, he's not using the fields for personal gain and nobody is forced to either work there or starve, so is it really an issue? In a post-scarcity society, those fields are not taking limited ressources from the masses to put them in a single hand.
Thinking about that relationship in light of what Discovery taught us about Klingons.
The whole train of thought and subsequent lingering mental imagery will likely bug me for years to come.
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marlboro
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Outside of a few notable exceptions, I hate it when the show features trips to Earth's past, duplicate Earths, and Holodeck versions of Earth.
Character: I can prevent the blast by recalibrating the lateral sensor array and modifying the port deflector grid to
emit an inverted chronitron stream modulated at our quantum shield frequency.
[pushes two buttons on LCARS screen, problem solved in 0.3 seconds]
Meahwhile, it takes two minutes for me to log into my PC and get MS Outlook opened up just to check my email.
emit an inverted chronitron stream modulated at our quantum shield frequency.
[pushes two buttons on LCARS screen, problem solved in 0.3 seconds]
Meahwhile, it takes two minutes for me to log into my PC and get MS Outlook opened up just to check my email.
Something that bugs me about STAR TREK, but can't be helped, really, is the fact that this franchise is so famously known for being "topical" and all of that, but it never explores any of its subject matter, it only exploits it. And that holds true as much today as it ever did. Part of it is the time allotted, but that's kind of just an excuse, really. There's always something stupid employed to run out the clock, regardless, just to keep from having to investigate these supposedly "relevant" issues the franchise brings up. Then there's the whole bit with having to give the 2nd bananas some busy work, to keep them and the fans happy, so shows get sidelined with lame "B" stories. Anyone can simply "bring up" a topic; so its mildly annoying how STAR TREK enjoys such an "enlightened" reputation for doing nothing more than just that.
