Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"

I like that they are just leaving it simple to be germane to the story,

don't show it just cause you CAN.

But to echo romulan spy, George-yo was pretty clothed for that moment.

 

There were definitely some arses on display with nothing but string on them. Probably counts from a ratings viewpoint.

 

And women wearing pasties on their breasts. It was tame. God forbid the show have real nipples on display as opposed to fake nipples on an alien body.

I have been looking for people mentioning a major revelation made in this episode about Burnham. For such a central figure, this event is not being discussed. She witnessed the brutal slaying of her family by her Klingon raiders. She was psychologically damaged by this event, having PTSD. This pivotal event is brought up in the episode and is offered as one of the reasons she has conflicted feelings for Tyler/Voq. Yet, no one mentions it. Is this because how it was handled by the writers?

 

Geez, I don’t know what to think of this episode.

It had great moments (most involving Tilly!) but it got seriously mawkish at the end. It feels like they’re trying to placate who who hate the show, which is futile - they’ll take it as insincere, while fans of the show will be confused and annoyed.

I loved this season overall but I’m now nervous about where it’s going. I’d hate to have this turn into another generic Trek series.

 

Must admit I liked the episode but I did fast forward through some of the boring sections, some of the earlier episodes were stronger in tone and delivery.

Really do wonder what the original plan was for the series and just how much bodging had to be done when the previous show runner was shown the door by CBS.

I would have expected the Klingons to not believe L'Rell and call her bluff, that of course couldn't happen as Qo'nos was never blown up,

I didn't mind the Starfleet navel gazing sections but did like MU Georgiou telling Burnham that she didn't follow through.

I see this season as a pure setup and so to me its not really important, there was no real need for the MU parts at all and they did feel a bit tacked on for the most part, Tyler/Voq could have given the necessary information rather than the Emperor.

I give it a 7/10 for this episode due to the rushed finish which felt a bit too pat for me and an 8.5/10 for the season.

Still its done now and we will have to wait until 2019 for more.

 

I dunno. I thought it was handled pretty well honestly. It helped that it was part of the last set of interactions she had with Tyler, which were the highlight of the show (never thought I'd say that!). It's a bit late in the series to have that sort of revelation however. Also, we had a general idea that bad shit went down when she was a kid. So while I thought, in an objective manner, her performance there was good, it didn't make me feel anything per se.

 

Yep its as father and son.
I can see Spock referring Sarek as "ambassador " and not acknowledging their relationship. Perhaps Michael will try to act as intermediary.

 

Was it just me, or in the academy hall from sT'09 where everyone got medals, were there not people in "Cage" style baby blue uniforms alongside crew in the DSC tracksuits? They seemed weirdly permanently out of focus (almost as if the room was CG because they probably didn't actually go to the Long Beach city hall)

 

I couldn't tell if they were Kelvin type uniforms or Cage type, but seemed like Cage style. I think they were blurred on purpose, but it was fun to sort-of see them.

 

I think they were out of focus because they copy-and-paste the background characters, especially so in the upper stands. Most viewers would not have noticed, with their attention focused on the foreground characters.

 

I'd love nothing more than to have both, when done well. Well, my ideal is probably actually semi-serialized with a mix of long and short story arcs and single episodes, but I'd still be pleased as punch with a Star Trek serial show with the quality of Stranger Things or Jessica Jones, etc. But this was not that. And while there's a lot of things to like here - in terms of the serialization specifically - the quality on display is so low that I have no faith that this will ever be that. So, yeah, unless we get a significant shake-up of some kind that can really amp up that quality, I do wish they'd just drop the serialization and stick to what they can actually do well.

 

I really hope they don't shy away from doing something.

That rigid fealty to our Lord and Savior Holy Canon really drives me nuts. For all practical purposes, the number is completely arbitrary and essentially meant to be synonymous with "a really long time." Heck, for anyone knows DCF looked at her clock and saw it was ten after eight and wrote the numbers down.

And as I already said up-thread, it can easily be fixed by literally taking out half the word. 18 becomes eight and no one but a select few even notices. And it would be a real shame to if they missed out on what could potentially be a great story just because of that.

 

You know, for a Xenophobic species terribly afraid of human assimilation, the Klingons didn't seem to mind an Orion town on their home planet.

 

Don't expect to see Spock in season 2. I read an interview with Harbert where he is quoted as saying,

[W]e realize how incredible Leonard Nimoy and Zachary Quinto’s performances were and what [Star Trek movie director] J.J. Abrams and the original series were able to pull off with that character. Finding another actor that could even come close to what Leonard Nimoy did with the original portrayal, we’d never want to go down that road.

https://trekmovie.com/2018/02/11/st...inales-big-reveal-and-hint-at-season-2-story/

How xenophobic are the Klingons? In ten years, the Organians predicted a future where Humans and Klingons would become fast friends and work together. This implies that both civiliations have much in common. There are xenophobes on both sides; however, they are a minority.

 

I would respectfully disagree. Not about Jones, he's great - but about his development by the writers.

In the episode where Lorca was abducted by Klingons, Saru tried to figure out how to be a good captain. Essentially, he researched it on Wikipedia. He quickly realized that was not the way to figure it out, that leadership can't be learned from a chart. He struggled.

But by the time of the 13th episode, with Lorca gone and then revealed, and the need to attack a superior foe foremost, Saru stepped up big time. He inspired his crew to look for a better solution, denying the 'no-win scenario.' He was strong and assertive, a good leader. During the battle, he was quick to understand what was happening and quickly guide his bridge crew, motivating them to faster, better action without being harsh or clumsy. And when it came time to fire, the normally polite and timid Kelpian had no compunctions about yelling 'FIRE!' (Okay, that last is Jones, not necessarily the writers.) I loved that!

He has had a *little* development, which I think is a good thing. He needs a lot more.

I would add that throughout at lot of the discussion in this thread, Saru has been overlooked as well. We can't focus just on the humans, people!!

 

Like that scene in American History X when derrick realizes the skin heads in prison are all against the blacks until they need drugs, then its "relax, its just business"

 

I don't see why they can't use Quinto if they need to. He's not exclusively a movie actor. He did several seasons of American Horror Story, and before that 24 and, of course, Heroes. Seriously, why the hell not?

 

With Orions and Trill running around, all that was missing was a few Gorn and Qo'nos would have felt just like STO -- Not that there are a lot of people even on Qu'nos in STO.

 

I think it’s pretty obvious why the Enterprise showed up. Pike is annoyed that someone rather than him and his ship saved the day and so he’s come to rectify the problem.