Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"
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I gave it a 7. This episode didn't cut the mustard for me. All of the build up over the season, and the finale didn't live up to expectations. There were some nice moments. Seeing glimpses of Quonos (sp) was nice--as were the crew interactions on the surface.
MU Pippa was amazing as usual. And, we got a clue for what'll happen with her down the road. She mentioned that Lorca must've found something interesting in the PU, and conveniently she is free to look for it!
The Enterprise was gorgeous at the end. Honestly, it looks better than the Discovery. Goes to show that with some modern enhancements, the the classic design is still amazing!
Looking forward to catching season 2!
MU Pippa was amazing as usual. And, we got a clue for what'll happen with her down the road. She mentioned that Lorca must've found something interesting in the PU, and conveniently she is free to look for it!
The Enterprise was gorgeous at the end. Honestly, it looks better than the Discovery. Goes to show that with some modern enhancements, the the classic design is still amazing!
Looking forward to catching season 2!
Yes, a large portion of the dialogue of Sarek, Tyler, Lorca, and Georgiou (both the prime and MU version) pretty much just existed to keep telling us how great Burnham was. There wasn't as heavy of a dynamic with Saru, Tilly or Stamets, but they both heaped praise on Burnham in isolated instances. Indeed, I'd ague one of the reasons why Saru and Stamets sort of faded into the background as characters in later episodes is they lacked any personal connection to Burnahm. Saru just became "the XO" and Stamets became a plot device once Culber died. Saru had maybe five lines of dialogue last night, and Stamets had two.
I settled on an 8 for this one, bumping it to an 8.5 simply because the Klingon War story is over.
Like most of the season, there were a lot of ups and downs in this for me. Things were glossed over that could have been extended on and other stuff were given more time than needed. I caught glimpses of what I believe the writers are wanting to move toward for season 2 and that gives me hope it will be better than this season.
I love the updated Enterprise, but was both happy and let down to see it. Discovery needs to stand on it's own two feet without having to pull in the classic ship to help it on its way. But damn did she ever look good.
Definitely on board for season two.
Like most of the season, there were a lot of ups and downs in this for me. Things were glossed over that could have been extended on and other stuff were given more time than needed. I caught glimpses of what I believe the writers are wanting to move toward for season 2 and that gives me hope it will be better than this season.
I love the updated Enterprise, but was both happy and let down to see it. Discovery needs to stand on it's own two feet without having to pull in the classic ship to help it on its way. But damn did she ever look good.
Definitely on board for season two.
That is a much better title.
As I mentioned earlier - it was written too much like a series finale to hit all the plot points so it rushed through them too much.
In my opinion the scene in the temple should have had Ash convicing T'Rell to go with the plan and Ash tell here there he was staying with her (instead of later telling Burnham). It would have shown how Ash was important to the story line. With T'Rell caring about Ash it would also give her further reason to stop the war (not just seize power). However, it seems the writers kept this bottled up like a 1 and done series so they had to spend more time on the Burnham/Ash saying goodbye (they could have just left it as her heartbroken as he left with T'Rell ... to be followed up on next season). That would have saved the time taken up between them that slowed down the ending and I think would have given it greater depth (as far as T'Rells motivations) then what we saw. Those scenes felt like they cut away to fast from them talking about how they would unite the Klingon houses and end the war so they could have Ash/Burnham have a final scene that wouldn't have been needed if Ash just convinced T'Rell to end the war and told her he would stand beside her...and they walk out at end of scene together.
Had this been less series finale driven and more season finale (with new episodes in fall) I think the story would have worked better.
And again - loved the episode - I'm nit picking as in my mind (inferred by the show but not seen on screen) these events did happen just not shown.
In my opinion the scene in the temple should have had Ash convicing T'Rell to go with the plan and Ash tell here there he was staying with her (instead of later telling Burnham). It would have shown how Ash was important to the story line. With T'Rell caring about Ash it would also give her further reason to stop the war (not just seize power). However, it seems the writers kept this bottled up like a 1 and done series so they had to spend more time on the Burnham/Ash saying goodbye (they could have just left it as her heartbroken as he left with T'Rell ... to be followed up on next season). That would have saved the time taken up between them that slowed down the ending and I think would have given it greater depth (as far as T'Rells motivations) then what we saw. Those scenes felt like they cut away to fast from them talking about how they would unite the Klingon houses and end the war so they could have Ash/Burnham have a final scene that wouldn't have been needed if Ash just convinced T'Rell to end the war and told her he would stand beside her...and they walk out at end of scene together.
Had this been less series finale driven and more season finale (with new episodes in fall) I think the story would have worked better.
And again - loved the episode - I'm nit picking as in my mind (inferred by the show but not seen on screen) these events did happen just not shown.
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It was freaking gorgeous!
Ouch! Someone is grouchy about not getting a writing gig on the new series!
I'll be honest, I loved it. I was expecting a big old shoot-em-up, and when they switched to classic peaceful resolution and talkin' about feelings, this old Trekkie's heart grew a size.
I'm stunned that they went there with that final reveal, considering how they must know that this will just subject them to atomic nitpicking on a scale previously unrecorded. And it will just stir up the "this is really a reboot" crowd. If it was indeed intended to troll canonistas a little, then I fully support it.
It's been ... fun. And that's the first time I've ever been able to say that about the first season of a new Trek series post TOS.
I'm stunned that they went there with that final reveal, considering how they must know that this will just subject them to atomic nitpicking on a scale previously unrecorded. And it will just stir up the "this is really a reboot" crowd. If it was indeed intended to troll canonistas a little, then I fully support it.
It's been ... fun. And that's the first time I've ever been able to say that about the first season of a new Trek series post TOS.
If they did they'd have lost their homeworld. Finish the war later meaning after eliminating the bomb threat and securing their home planet.
It'll take them about 10 years.
Another 6. This review is very much spot-on.
In addition to the points raised in the review, I'd like to add clunky (and in some cases sophomoric) dialogue and inexplicable character behavior or decisions. Given the amount of money spent on the series, they could have at least worked on what is ironically the least expensive but most important resource for TV shows (writing) but failed throughout the season.
Hopefully (following the article title), they will do better next season.
In addition to the points raised in the review, I'd like to add clunky (and in some cases sophomoric) dialogue and inexplicable character behavior or decisions. Given the amount of money spent on the series, they could have at least worked on what is ironically the least expensive but most important resource for TV shows (writing) but failed throughout the season.
Hopefully (following the article title), they will do better next season.
Burnham gave L'Rell the detonator. The bomb was secure at that point. If the Klingons had attacked Earth when L'Rell had the detonator, there was nothing Starfleet could have done about it. Now, maybe Starfleet had a backup detonator to prevent this scenario. In that case, the Klingons could have simply waited until after they had physically secured the bomb itself which would not have taken very long and then attacked.
Not soon enough unfortunately. The rumor is June but that's unofficial thus far. As long as it continues to be great I can wait.
Is that all you care about?
Why would you infer that?
The threat I'm talking about is L'Rell. She's a nobody. A rebel. From the POV of the great houses, she might just blow it up if they don't agree to reunification. For now, at least, they have to take her threat seriously.
It's not a conundrum though is it? It's actually the whole point of the thing--to show us the Enterprise with Pike and Spock.
Lol, maybe, but look at the Klingons in TOS era. They are basically toothless. They don't inspire fear like they did in DSC and Kirk barely takes them seriously.
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