Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"

[Romulan_spy]

That ending was pure pandering to TOS fans and I absolutely loved it!!!

Weakest Part
- Resolution to Klingon War. L'Rell giving up the war like that, seemed rather contrived. I am still not sure what exactly happened. L'Rell goes from hating humans and wanting to wage war forever one minute to making peace and saying Klingons have lost their way the next. And L'Rell makes the shift all because she sees Burnham show mercy by not destroying Quonos when she could have? But it was definitely in the spirit of Star Trek for sure. Very TNG!

Best Part
- Burnham's speech and appearance of the Enterprise!

Now that we've seen the finale, I feel like this entire season was the writers telling a story of how the Federation almost lost its values but learned to uphold them even more, as a way of giving us more background and context before telling "classic trek stories". Basically, instead of just telling us that Starfleet is "good", they showed it to us. So now when we get a classic Trek episode where the crew seeks out new life and helps a strange alien civ, we know why they are doing it. Ok, I can get behind that. It definitely changes my view of this season. And the ending actually gives me great hope that season 2 will return to classic Trek stories.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Not to throw a monkey wrench into any of this but do we know for a fact that there isn't a

Mirror Universe Captain Pike?

There is. Way back in "Mirror, Mirror" we learned that MU Kirk achieved command of the ISS Enterprise by assassinating him.

 

[picardjean-luc]

Too bad we never got any resolution to those black badges. Seems like maybe a Fuller thing that got dropped.

Bye bye Section 31

 

[thribs]

Looks like the took the NX-01 nacelles, made them larger and shrank the neck.
This must be what the Enterprise looks like between the Cage and Kirk’s time.

 

[Luvmaster]

Good episode. Tilly getting high with Ron Howard's brother was unexpected but funny.

 

[DEWLine]

And the screaming starts. Shock. Rage. Joy.
Right?

 

[starri]

Why didn't Michael mention gazelles?

 

[Mudd]

The 09 ENT grew on me after awhile, minus the hideous nacelles, but this looks way better...

Nope.

It was amateur night.

Well, not quite even that. There are folks doing this work for fun on art sites all over the Internet who've done a great deal better work with the Enterprise than this. What the STD people did was minimal and crude. The ship may be the most frequently recreated ship in the last quarter century.

There's been a lot better stuff posted in these topics in the last couple of weeks (okay, not Gabe's...).

 

[MarsWeeps]

Nope. Amanda Grayson has been portrayed by 5 actress

Don't think so. Which 5?

 

[cooleddie74]

You know what they say. Treat her like a lady...and she'll always bring you home.

 

[thribs]

Then what is the not boring interior for you? Don't tell me the TOS model of bridge. That kind of interior that I hate the most because it's already aged too much for today TV show.

I don’t think they look aged and dated at all but I know I’m in the minority sadly.
The Cage era version wasn’t as colourful as the one later on so it could work. They just need to make it with better materials than what they had in the 60’s and have better lighting.

 

[mattman8907]

Don't think so. Which 5?

• Jane Wyatt portrayed her in TOS and the TOS movies.
• Majel Barrett voiced her in TAS
• Cynthia Blaise played amanda in a flashback scene in The Final Frontier
• Winona Ryder played amanda in ST 09
• Mia Kirshner is currently portraying Amanda

So there's your five.

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

That was, quite likely, the worst season finale I've seen in quite a while. It stretched credulity to the breaking point, then stomped on its bones until they were ground into powder. There were a few redeeming qualities--I sure as hell am going to miss Ash and the Enterprise looked nice, even if it was the worst case of fan-service in quite a while, narratively speaking--but the writing was largely horrendous, the redemption of Burnham still undeserved, and the ending of the war was...silly. Squaring it with canon is difficult, but not impossible. But it'll take a lot of contortions to do it. The war seemed to've been too disastrous for the Federation to have it barely mentioned at all a decade or so later. Twenty percent of the UFP under occupation?

The lifespan of L'Rell should've been measured in days or weeks. A species that can, somehow, transplant entire organs from one species to another and overlay the engrams of the "donor" onto one of their own without creating an inchoate mess somehow cannot find a way to separate L'Rell's hand from her body, maintain it long enough to deactivate the bomb, and dispose of this farcical mess? C'mon... Either the Klingons are absolute geniuses at medical technology or they're complete klutzes. That twenty-three of the twenty-four houses couldn't've come together to take her down is just silly.

Or, forget about the genetic lock. Just find the bomb, isolate it behind a field, dupe the signal and remove it from the planet. Easy-peasy.

The writing in the last three episodes has been absolutely abhorrent. What happened to all the nuance? Speeches from Burnham when everyone stands up like some kind of ABC Afterschool Special? For this we got rid of Lorca? I gave it five and that was generous.

I do look forward to Season 2, but...they need to seriously clean house with the writing team. It was a chaotic season, with more missed opportunities than you can shake a stick at.

 

[thribs]

"Mirror!" Enterprise I assume??

Nope, it would be the proper Enterprise. They know that ship is a threat and they’re trying to eliminate it.

 

[cooleddie74]

Don't think so. Which 5?

If you include the actress without lines who gave birth to Spock in the flashback sequence of TFF I guess it would come close to five different people who've played Amanda.

 

[MarsWeeps]

Not to throw a monkey wrench into any of this but do we know for a fact that there isn't a

Mirror Universe Captain Pike?.

It was mentioned in TOS episode Mirror, Mirror that Pike was assassinated. That's how MU Kirk got command.

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

I agree. I thought it looked great. This is pretty much what I wanted for the 09 Trek movies

Agreed. If the Kelvin Timeline's Enterprise had looked that good...

Ah well, at least we can say they did well with it in Star Trek's natural medium: television (streamed, though it may be).

 

[Spider]

After binging through the 2nd half of the season this afternoon, I have to say it's not a whole lot different from the 1st half, it's above average TV fare and mediocre Star Trek. Without a doubt Discovery's first season is the 2nd best first season of all the series, TOS being the best simply by the sheer number of really good episodes they had. But when you consider the first season of the other four which were absolutely putridly horrid (thankfully they all got better) then being ranked ahead of that sorry ass bunch of first seasons isn't a big deal.

And of course they have to kill off my favorite character, Lorca. I was hoping he'd magically reappear but I guess he's dead, which in Star Trek doesn't always mean a whole lot. Maybe he's the captain they're picking up on Vulcan next season. LOL

I loved seeing the Enterprise, even if for only a second. Oh well, off to Amazon to cancel my free 3 day trial subscription for CBSAA. But not before I go look at the Enterprise again.

 

[MarsWeeps]

• Jane Wyatt portrayed her in TOS and the TOS movies.
• Majel Barrett voiced her in TAS
• Cynthia Blaise played amanda in a flashback scene in The Final Frontier
• Winona Ryder played amanda in ST 09
• Mia Kirshner is currently portraying Amanda

So there's your five.

Fair enough. I wasn't counting TAS and I forgot about the flashback sequence.

 

[thribs]

I gave it a 7, simply for the ending, and Balok.