Who among them saw the body and saw her die?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x14 - "The War Without, The War Within"
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Who among them saw the body and saw her die?
They might be suspicious after the Lorca fiasco.
This MU Phillipa is going to have to act her socks off. ,
This MU Phillipa is going to have to act her socks off. ,
Actually, none of that’s true....
Only two members of Discovery’s crew served on the Shenzhou with Burnham and Captain Georgiou: Saru and Detmer. None of the Discovery crew except Burnham, Saru and Nameless Transporter Tech Guy knew that the Emperor was Captain Georgiou’s evil twin and none of the Discovery crew (Saru included IIRC) knew the nature of the MU Burnham’s relationship with MU Georgiou.
They may *suspect* the Emperor is not Captain Georgiou, but they do not *know*.
As it stands, the only people (other than those who already know) who could confirm the Emperor is not Captain Georgiou are L’Rell and TyVoq, cuz, you know, they ate her. Which I suspect is the reason we see The Emperor paying L’Rell a little visit in the tease trailer.
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Yes, people fight to protect themselves and their loved ones. Still, compassion exists in war. Otherwise, it would be nothing but wholesale slaughter. If there were no compassionate moments, no love for humanity, no willingness to forgive, to move on, to try new ways other than killing, we'd all be dead already. So there is much more to a war than fighting and killing.
Minor gripe.
Why did the crew call Saru Captain?
Did he promote himself?
I get that he was in command but surely he was still Commander?
At least he demoted himself again af the end.
Like I said, Minor gripe.
So so episode, I really liked the little scene in the canteen with Tyler, Tilly and the others. Not been enough of that sort of thing this season.
Why did the crew call Saru Captain?
Did he promote himself?
I get that he was in command but surely he was still Commander?
At least he demoted himself again af the end.
Like I said, Minor gripe.
So so episode, I really liked the little scene in the canteen with Tyler, Tilly and the others. Not been enough of that sort of thing this season.
Made it through 40 pages covering almost everything I wanted to say.
Can't wait to see next week's episode.
I have started my rematch, just wonder how many hate watchers do hate re-watching.
Full marks for the ridiculous suggestion earlier in the thread that Axanar is better than Discovery.
For the episode itself I gave it an 8. I love Cornwell hope she makes it to season 2.
Can't wait to see next week's episode.
I have started my rematch, just wonder how many hate watchers do hate re-watching.
Full marks for the ridiculous suggestion earlier in the thread that Axanar is better than Discovery.
For the episode itself I gave it an 8. I love Cornwell hope she makes it to season 2.
As of right now, 31 people gave this episode a 10 out of 10, meaning it couldn't be bettered in any way.
Huh!
New clothes for The Emperor I see.
Huh!
New clothes for The Emperor I see.
it seems in Trek, especially as of late (the Kelvinverse films do it a LOT), whoever is in charge of the ship at any given time gets referred to as "captain" regardless of their Starfleet rank.
It was true of Kirk in TMP as well.
But it seems to be something that has become more the norm in the last decade.
Haha. I was thinking the same thing. To me Kirk is hands down the preachiest character in all of Trek. He spent most of that series going to strange worlds and forcing them to adopt a more Federation way of life, which was usually preceded or followed by a lengthy speech talking about why his way was the only way. Picard certainly gave his fair share of speeches but to me he tried much harder to subscribe to non-interference and wasn’t as preachy as Kirk was to other aliens.
But that’s neither here nor there when it comes to Burnham. I think you’re always going to have that one character in Trek that “speaks” for that particular series’ set of ideals. It’s usually the Captain but in this series it appears it is going to be Burnham.
Happened in DS9 as well. O'Brien called it an 'old naval tradition' in the show.
Or...people just REALLY liked the episode because their tastes are different than others who didn't.
I don't know...it certainly could just be that simple. It's certainly not unheard of to have people who really like something (Star Trek for example) rate an episode really high because they're FANS of the show.
Again...doesn't really seem unusual or vexing to me...seems pretty natural. Just as it's natural for people who hate something to rate it a "1" like it was the worst piece of entertainment in this history of the civilized world. Some people are just overjoyed and happy to have a Star Trek property that they enjoy. I, for one, am enjoying Star Trek on television more than I have since seasons 3 and 4 of TNG. That was a bit of a while ago.
I'm not sure why there's a problem with that...other than it makes the vocal minority look / feel bad because it doesn't match up with their viewpoint on things.
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Usually, in Trek, an acting Captain (not just someone in the chair) is addressed as Captain. I think it came up with Dax in DS9 and Data in TNG (during the Klingon Civil War), and even Harry Kim on the Nightingale. There are some oddities and exceptions, but I don't think it was out of question for Acting Captain Saru to be addressed as such.
Cause saying "Captain Saru" is quicker than saying "Acting Captain Saru"
Early on it was established by the writers that Burnham was the main character of this series, so this makes perfect sense.
No. Because Picard also spent time lecturing his crew, his fellow command level officers, his superiors, family members, people he met from other timelines, Lily Sloan, etc, etc. Kirk basically just did it to people who were genuine assholes and/or had cultures that were already arrested or under some other influence. Hell, Picard frigging lectures Kirk (GEN)!
I guarantee if you add up moments of self-righteous, sanctimonious, arrogant, holier-than-thou eye rollers, Picard has Kirk beat by 2-to-1 easily.
EASILY
I know ST in all forms requires suspension of disbelief. After 700+ episodes I should have a degree in "suspension of disbelief" -- and yes my disbelief has been stretched in other ST series, but none have consistently risen to the level of absurdity that this haphazard storyline has displayed. Too many gaps to fill in with with my own or others theories. It's somewhat entertaining sci-fi, however it's a stretch to proclaim it's ST just because there's a chevron badge.
I don't really like admitting that I've given up on the series. I wanted to find something that I could grab onto to drag me in and immerse me in the story and experience. For me that's the characters and their interaction, and I never related to any if them.
--- sorry for the soapbox semi-rant.
The reason the Mirror U was classified, because of versions of people's lost loved ones being alive out there and that causing chaos, is hanging depressingly with me. Thinking of Jennifer Sisko. Thinking of our society today and how we'd react to something like this. How I'd react to it personally. It's kinda f***ed up to think about.
Though Kirk took an actual (completely unnecessary imho) temporary reduction in rank in TMP, so he actually WAS a Captain for the duration of the V'Ger incident.
Generally though, I agree with your post - whoever is in command of a vessel at any given time is the captain of that vessel, even if their rank is not Captain.
Thoughts on the episode as a whole - I enjoyed it a lot, I liked how the crew mostly forgave Tyler for what he did while Voq was in control, I thought he would be ostracised for it but given how quickly they came to accept the only mutineer in Starfleet history, maybe it's to be expected.
I like how they're not using a time travel solution for the episode, but given that Stamets can apparently navigate the mycelial network through time as well as space, perhaps the logical solution would have been to return to the point at which the Discovery travelled to the MU and transmit the cloak algorithm to the fleet as originally ordered?
Interested to see how the emperor impersonating Captain Georgiou plays out - it surely can't end well. Agreed with the point that the crew should probably be more suspicious given what just happened with Lorca, and the fact that Burnham basically pulled the same trick on the Mirror Shenzhou. Did she mention at all in her transmissions from the Charon that Georgiou was the emperor? I can't remember.
Well Kirk lectured aliens AND his crew just like Picard. I guess I find Kirk to be more sanctimonious because he’s forcing his ideals on beings that live differently whereas Picard more “preached to the choir” so to speak. Plus we’re talking 7 seasons versus 3. I’m sure on sheer volume Picard made more speeches as he has much more overall screen time. But to me “the Kirk speech” was almost a weekly thing in TOS whereas it felt more spaced out on TNG when Picard would pull out “the Kirk speech”.
Let’s just say this, they are both preachy. So was Janeway & Sisko for that matter. I guess who somebody thinks is the worst is just a matter of opinion. And I like both Kirk & Picard so I don’t mean to denigrate either.
A bit of googling has found me numerous websites suggesting this is the case, i.e. that the commanding officer of a vessel is addressed as "Captain" (or "skipper") regardless of rank in both the Royal and US navies, but none seem to be able to cite an official source for this other than other websites about ranks and protocol. One even cites the Star Trek episode where O'Brien states this!
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