Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x14 - "The War Without, The War Within"

[137th Gebirg]

Are you sure that was two hours? Because it felt like ten!

According to IMDB, 2 hours and 12 minutes. I was actually surprised it wasn't longer too.

 

[Nerys Myk]

According to IMDB, 2 hours and 12 minutes. I was actually surprised it wasn't longer too.

I still have flashbacks that I'm still in the theater... the horror...the horror.

 

[Cyrus]

Blasphemy. TMP is 2 of the best hours of the franchise.

Also the poster who mentioned worst 2 hours wasn't referring to Discovery. I think he was talking about Into Darkness which also is not accurate.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Blasphemy. TMP is 2 of the best hours of the franchise.

What? I nodded off for a second. TMP has that effect on me.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I would rate TMP above The Final Frontier, Nemesis or Into Darkness.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I would rate TMP above The Final Frontier, Nemesis or Into Darkness.

I wish I had slept through The Final Frontier and Nemesis.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I wish I had slept through The Final Frontier...

My seatbelt chafed every time I started nodding off.

 

[Noname Given]

A lot of people have been saying that it's easy to keep MU Phillipa a secret...but didn't she appear as a hologram in front of the whole bridge crew in "The Wolf Inside?"

Um..that happened ONLY on the I.S.S. Shenzhou; not the U.S.S. Discovery.

 

[Gepard]

Nothing has ever dethroned TMP, or probably ever will.

There's certainly Star Trek that's more painful, but none that's so boring.

Shit, I think "A Night in Sickbay" is the worst installment Trek has ever produced and I'd sit through it in all its jaw-dropping awfulness before subjecting myself to The Motion Picture again.

 

[indranee]

It's plausible enough. I doubt many even knew Georgiou was the MU Emperor. Maybe just Michael, Saru and that transporter technician.

Bets are on that transporter tech's a red shirt next ep.

 

[indranee]

There's certainly Star Trek that's more painful, but none that's so boring.

Shit, I think "A Night in Sickbay" is the worst installment Trek has ever produced and I'd sit through it in all its jaw-dropping awfulness before subjecting myself to The Motion Picture again.

you haven't seen enough Trek or you've forgotten many hours of it then

 

[137th Gebirg]

Y'know it occurs to me, in thinking about all this, that many in the fandom say they want thoughtful Trek - the phrase "think piece" comes up frequently in this context, and yet the most reviled films of the franchise, being TMP and TFF where the most like original TOS Trek - exploring the unknown - the very attempts at "think pieces" that fandom supposedly demands. The former studied the vast and mysterious nature of V'ger and the latter nothing less than the possible existence of, and interaction with, the Living God. Unfortunately, TMP wound up being a 2-hour rehash of "The Changeling" and TFF's "God" wound up being just another disgruntled pure-energy alien. The universe is filled with them, apparently. You'd think that ascended beings would have better things to do with their time than fuck with mortals' heads. Yawn.

Another almost-unanimously-disliked TNG film, Insurrection, even tried to hang an enormous lampshade on the notion when Picard sadly mused, "Does anyone remember when we were explorers?", almost indicting that film in particular and the whole series of movies in general that have come before. The fandom wants more of that, but those that make these films simply cannot deliver the goods for one reason or another, so they build more action-adventure oriented films that seem to do much better at the box office. The message it sends to TPTB is that exploratory Trek is a dead-end franchise killer.

It is all very much a sad irony, really.

 

[WisTrekFan]

I still don’t get why the Emperor has to be captain? I don’t see any self respect Starfleet officer allowing that to happen.

I think they are hiding her in plain sight.

 

[indranee]

I love TMP, or at least the first 2/3rds.

 

[XCV330]

I sometimes have trouble sleeping and TMP is actually a fallback for me. It's not habit forming and it really does work to put me to sleep, if I skip through the opening credit music. It's a beautiful movie, not my favorite but I appreciate the craft that went into making it. It just literally puts me to sleep and for me, it's become very useful in that regard.

 

[indranee]

I sometimes have trouble sleeping and TMP is actually a fallback for me. It's not habit forming and it really does work to put me to sleep, if I skip through the opening credit music. It's a beautiful movie, not my favorite but I appreciate the craft that went into making it. It just literally puts me to sleep and for me, it's become very useful in that regard.

no, seriously. I do love the first 2/3rds. I love how they crafted the comeback and the dialogue and the tension between Jim and the crew, the fumbling sexual awareness of the crew toward Ilia, and then Spock's arrival. They messed up with how long they showed V'Ger because Wise was Wise and TPTB was too aware of 2001.

But it's a beautifully crafted thing. There were worse Trek films to come.

 

[donners22]

Also the poster who mentioned worst 2 hours wasn't referring to Discovery. I think he was talking about Into Darkness which also is not accurate.

Indeed; the opening London scene and Pike dressing down Kirk alone elevate it above a lot of bad Trek installments which lack such redeeming moments.

 

[DaveyNY]

Back on Friday December 7th, 1979...

Star Trek: The Motion Picture ... was the Best Damn TWO HOURS of Trek we'd had in about 10 Years!!!

Folks who weren't there, have no clue about how appreciative most of us dedicated fans were.

 

[Gepard]

you haven't seen enough Trek or you've forgotten many hours of it then

I had scrubbed "The Masterpiece Society" from my brain, thanks.

 

[Wetworth]

I think I'm missing something. Did ISS Discovery have a spore drive? Is there any reason that the ships would swap places?