And it isn't even clear how many of them knew of Emperor Gerogiou in the first place.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x14 - "The War Without, The War Within"
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And the security staff, and the bridge/management crew, and by extension, the canteen staff. It’s inconcievable that something as big as the most powerful woman in that other universe being held on board is only known to three people. Just no.
How would anyone else know about it unless the transporter chief spilled the beans? And I'd like to think he takes is duty seriously, especially given Saru's order.
Only Saru and the transporter operator were in the room when she beamed aboard. Saru ordered that she be beamed into guest quarters directly. The only other people who have seen her are Cornwell and Sarek. It's not that complicated.
He was transferred to Cornwell's ship. At least that's what that told every one.
Even if they know she's there - Burnham never told anyone that Georgiou was the Emperor. She's not seen in the field of vision when Burnham is talking to Saru from the throne room, and Burnham doesn't mention it during her earlier covert transmission from the air vents (only that Lorca is MU and is launching a coup). Only Burnham, Saru and transporter flunky know that Georgiou is the Emperor.
I must have missed Saru’s order, but why would it be a secret? It’s a star ship. Secrets breed distrust.
Is it possible that the Empress on board wouldn’t be discussed in any operational context? But that there’s a Klingon operative disguised as a human, who happened to have murdered the chief medic, is accepted back in the fold.
I don’t buy it. Belief not sudpended.
Is it possible that the Empress on board wouldn’t be discussed in any operational context? But that there’s a Klingon operative disguised as a human, who happened to have murdered the chief medic, is accepted back in the fold.
I don’t buy it. Belief not sudpended.
"The presence of a Terran defector on this ship is to be regarded as classified. Its utterance will carry a penalty of treason." - Saru
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In what way? If you mean the mess hall scene, I *loved* that moment when some of the other crew crowded around Tyler, and offered him kindness. It actually made me start crying, because that's all I've ever wanted to see people do for one another, and I finally got to see it in a modern Star Trek series. For all of the darkness, the anger, the grim narrative, we got a moment of real human hope, and I just loved it.
If that's not what you meant, then sorry for misunderstanding. I just really loved that scene, and took what would have been an 8 and made it a 10 for me.
Starships have all sorts of secrets. Not everyone needs to know everything.
Well, said Klingon operative had a pretty public reveal.
Like so much of Discovery, I liked the idea of that scene but not the execution. That sort of acceptance should come, but it should be earned. The Discovery crew lack believable motivation other than "we're on a Star Trek show!"
They might as well hug it out with L'Rell.
They might as well hug it out with L'Rell.
From a human perspective as touching as the scene is for those who do have combat experience how realistic is it that one who betrays his comrades is welcomed back with open arms so damn quickly?
Michael breaking with Ash makes sense, Michael saying 'all is forgiven baby, I loves you, now show me some of those Voq moves in bed...might be sweet and romantic but would be totally unrealistic. That mess hall scene was unrealistic (unless they all fancy Tyler).
It just stretched believe imo. What guarantee do they have that he will not snap again. He said so himself that he has all of Voq's memories. Stamets, and Michaels reactions seemed much more plausible.
Exactly. You worded that much better then I did.
I did miss that line, I must have been getting a beer. But still, the Discovery is a top secret experimental vessel, in the middle of a war not in their favour, having just returned from an alternate universe, and the crew can’t be told about a prisoner, and secrecy can serve no possible purpose beyond the later story development.
This is a contrivance, and it’s a contrivance too far! I want to love this series, but contempt for the crew is contempt for the viewer.
Treason, mutiny what difference would it make? There would be no consequence of worth.
So we have a mutineer, a mirror Captain wannabe, and a Klingon/human freak. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
That line by Saru is only there so that the crew THINKS it’s PU Georgiou as captain and not the MU version. Otherwise there would be a mutiny and whatever story the writers wanted to tell wouldn’t work. So yes, it’s totally contrived.
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I would have sat with Tyler. One of the reasons I love Tilly is that her heart is on her sleeve, and she has great empathy for others. The mess hall scene is only unrealistic if someone is unwilling to move towards compassion. Since I am willing to do that, it is not unrealistic for me. As for the Tyler/Burnham relationship, that one is more complicated due to the complex nature of personal relationships.
Compassion. It's that simple. Humanity has grown since the 21st century, and they've gained a more emotional maturity that we still lack in large quantities.
Damn that mind sifter technology!
I hope.
Come on, writers. Throw TOS a few bones, you bastards.
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