Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"

[Lonemagpie]

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Also, for the preview for next episode, it looks like MU Georgiou takes her place as Discovery's answer to Seven of Nine (for at least a few scenes) as liberated-bad-guy-who-doesn't-want-to-be-liberated-but-uses-her-bad-guy-tactics-to-help-the-good-guys since they seemed to have dropped the Seven-lite characterization that Michael had the first half of the season.

We'll see about that. Trailers often give viewers the wrong impression.[/QUOTE]

Hannibal Lecter, perhaps, rather than Seven of Nine.

 

[jaime]

We'll see about that. Trailers often give viewers the wrong impression.

Hannibal Lecter, perhaps, rather than Seven of Nine.[/QUOTE]

The watch this episodes suggest she is going to go all Mirror Bareil and somehow replace Georgiou. Khan was nearly rehabilitated before he decided to take over the ship.

 

[Pindar]

A police state in Star Trek? What did I miss?

Nothing, a policeman/droid chased young Kirk in a stolen car.

Maybe that somehow qualifies?

 

[Krandor]

This.

Isaacs is a busy guy. In 2017 alone he had completed filming on 3 movies and has 2 in post-production for 2018. It's understandable that he would only want a short term commitment to a tv series.

But he’s doing a season two of the oa

 

[Long Syntax]

Can't wait until Georgiou tells Saru about the meal that she and Burnham shared.

Finger lickin' good.

I wonder if Saru's threat ganglia will pop out at some point around Burnham, given that she had chicken fried Kelpien

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Can't wait until Georgiou tells Saru about the meal that she and Burnham shared.

It might be funny to see Georgiou chase Saru around the ship with a bottle of HP Sauce and a steak knife.

 

[fireproof78]

Earth is probably too full to grant her a house. But it would be a good choice, given that Star Trek '09 implied a police state capable of maintaining a watchful presence.

Wait, what? Kirk is stated to be a "repeat offender" by Pike yet no monitoring of him is indicated. He was driving recklessly and the police chased him. That happens now in the United States...

Also, in TNG, VOY, and others, it is established that the ship's computer is monitoring crew compliment, crew brain waves and life signs constantly.

I'm truly confused.

 

[Prax]

The watch this episodes suggest she is going to go all Mirror Bareil and somehow replace Georgiou. Khan was nearly rehabilitated before he decided to take over the ship.

She could gain followers, try to take over the ship. She would fail, of course. S
Then, showdown with MB, and leave her and her followers on a desolate planet.

It's like poetry, it r.........

 

[picardjean-luc]

Disappointing end to the Mirror Saga for me, Lorca becoming a paint by the numbers bad guy who was easily defeated was a real poor ending to one of the best Trek characters in decades.
Burnham is slowly morphing into Discovery's version of Wesley Crusher, there is literally no problem she can't overcome.

SHUT UP, Michael !!

Still....... Saru coming into his own and taking command was good, FX were good, no Kelpians were eaten. These are all good things.

Agreed. The best character development in series so far belong to Saru. He has come so far from the shy, somewhat aloof science officer from the first few episodes to the ship commander he is now.

 

[Wulf]

Agreed. The best character development in series so far belong to Saru. He has come so far from the shy, somewhat aloof science officer from the first few episodes to the ship commander he is now.

He's like a steak, starting out raw and limp... then slowly simmering and firming up, searing in the juices of experience, topped with the spices of wisdom.

 

[Tuvix5675]

Didn't Aaron say the Klingon war arc would end in season one? Does that mean it will end next episode? So we will go from the Klingons having the upper hand in the war to losing the war in one episode? That seems a little rushed.

 

[Tuskin38]

So I wonder, did Lorca choose Saru as his XO or did Starfleet Command choose for him?

I find it weird that he would choose an alien for XO, unless it was part of his plan to manipulate Burnham. Or he was trying really hard to not seem racist.

 

[Wulf]

So we will go from the Klingons having the upper hand in the war to losing the war in one episode? That seems a little rushed.

I call it "The Lorca Maneuver".

They'll probably group up their entire fleet into a big formation around a black hole while Burnham distracts them enough for them to ignore the gravitational fields until it's too late to escape.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Disappointing end to the Mirror Saga for me, Lorca becoming a paint by the numbers bad guy who was easily defeated was a real poor ending to one of the best Trek characters in decades.
Burnham is slowly morphing into Discovery's version of Wesley Crusher, there is literally no problem she can't overcome.

Stamets and Tilly looked lost explaining the Technobabble solution to getting back to Prime universe, I'm at a loss as to why MU Phillipa wasn't seeking revenge on Burnham for her part in her downfall, likewise I'm at a loss as to why Burnham chose to save Phillipa and bring her back to Prime.

We were finally offered a possible solution to the Mycelial network problem when MU Stamets was contaminating and destroying it, that was quickly snatched away by MU Stamets explaining that destruction of the network would result in all life in every universe being exterminated, that'll be that then.

Still....... Saru coming into his own and taking command was good, FX were good, no Kelpians were eaten. These are all good things.

Yeah, the slipshod way in which Lorca shifted and fell so quickly was the reason I gave the episode a 9 instead of a 10. I was really hoping that he wouldn't devolve into the dimensionless and cliched bad guy that he did. Not very happy about that but I understand that his arc needed to end.

I am, however, quite happy that Saru seems to have recovered from the earlier character assassination that he suffered during the first half of the Klingon War arc. He really came into his own and quickly became a strong leader worth following during their little excursion in the MU. Hopefully that will serve him well in the future. I personally prefer him to be promoted to Captain of the Discovery going forward and leave Michael a "Specialist". He's earned it.

Didn't Aaron say the Klingon war arc would end in season one? Does that mean it will end next episode? So we will go from the Klingons having the upper hand in the war to losing the war in one episode? That seems a little rushed.

Heh...seems a LOT rushed!

 

[picardjean-luc]

He's like a steak, starting out raw and limp... then slowly simmering and firming up, searing in the juices of experience, topped with the spices of wisdom.

Agreed. While sadly Lorca was downgraded from a grey antihero, yet badass captain to a cartoonish, moustache-twisting villain in a single episode .
The jury's still out on the other show's characters, including Burnham. Most of them have so few lines and screen times that it's difficult to judge any character development they might have throughout the season

 

[picardjean-luc]

They'll probably group up their entire fleet into a big formation around a black hole while Burnham distracts them enough for them to ignore the gravitational fields until it's too late to escape.

Or pull out a Sisko,who lead the fleet into a wormhole inhabited by a sentient being who then make them "disappeared"

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Sacrifice_of_Angels_(episode)

 

[137th Gebirg]

So I wonder, did Lorca choose Saru as his XO or did Starfleet Command choose for him?

I find it weird that he would choose an alien for XO, unless it was part of his plan to manipulate Burnham. Or he was trying really hard to not seem racist.

First and foremost, Lorca was a pragmatist. He would do whatever it took to place the right people for all the right jobs for the sole purpose of getting him home - a singular focus, all about the mission; all other considerations - including ideological - are secondary. He probably felt that the Kelpian's unique ability to sense the coming of death to be quite a useful and rare defensive weapon to keep under his belt.

I'm reminded of the details I read from the AAR of the Oklahoma City bombing, when it was discovered that Timothy McVeigh got support and ordnance-making materials from suspected Islamic terrorists in the region. The question arose, why would a self-avowed white supremacist be collaborating with a non-white militant? The pragmatist's vision always wins out - ends justify the means. If they're willing to help reach a goal, why limit ones' options simply over ideology at the risk of failing the mission? Same thing for Lorca.

 

[eschaton]

Didn't Aaron say the Klingon war arc would end in season one? Does that mean it will end next episode? So we will go from the Klingons having the upper hand in the war to losing the war in one episode? That seems a little rushed.

It could take part of the last episode as well. I highly doubt that the last episode is just an extended epilogue to the season, although the back half of it might be.

All that we really know about the final episode is Sarek is supposed to appear once again. The title seems to suggest a wedding, but that could be misdirection.

 

[lawman]

The Prime Directive says it's perfectly okay for the Emperor to have done that.

What Prime Directive are you thinking of? The one I know only says that it's wrong to interfere with the development and self-determination of a pre-warp-capable civilization. It's basically just an anti-imperialism directive. Nothing in there about allowing crimes against humanity. And at any rate it wouldn't apply to the Terran Empire, which is at the same tech level as the UFP.

 

[137th Gebirg]

What Prime Directive are you thinking of? The one I know only says that it's wrong to interfere with the development and self-determination of a pre-warp-capable civilization. It's basically just an anti-imperialism directive. Nothing in there about allowing crimes against humanity. And at any rate it wouldn't apply to the Terran Empire, which is at the same tech level as the UFP.

Exactly this. People forget the the precepts of the Prime Directive do not apply to spacefaring races. It's led to much confusion over the years.