Yeah I'm fairly sure there was some deliberate inspiration thereI call her Lt "Cressida" Detmer because of her similar hairstyle with the "Hunger Games" character
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"
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We already know that Burnham doesn't know how to use the stun setting.
You could make the exact same excuses for Hitler - that he was a product of his environment. The only real difference with Georgiou is since we know it's a "mirror universe" we (and Burnham) have knowledge that a human being with the same basic biology (except for the eye thing) made very different moral choices. Take that away, and it's no different at all.
Regardless, I'm willing to hold out judgement. I just hope that the lesson that this Trek tells us isn't that MU Georgiou is Space Hitler with a heart of gold, but that she proves to be nasty on the inside, and Burnham grows up a bit and realizes this is not her mother figure. It's one thing for Burnham to make a bad choice, its another thing for the writers to do so.
Has anyone been stunned with a phaser once this season? I think maybe Saru was stunned in Episode 8. I honestly can't remember.
Like Luke saving Vader, what kind of crap was that?
The difference was, Luke genuinely believed there was good in Vader - which had the virtue of being true.
Empress Georgy-Porgy, on the other hand...there's obviously none in her, Burnham only saved her as a spur-of-the-moment thing (and also out of obvious guilt at not having saved HER version).
Nonsense.
While Star Wars does have some things going for it, moral lessons are certainly not one of the things that Trek should crib. David Brin famously criticized the series, nothing that the main difference between good and evil in the Star Wars universe is how attractive the characters are.
Adam Driver isn't attractive?
I'm down with Burnham saving her, same as I'm down with Kirk trying to save Kruge. (Though I expect Burnham has done it for all the wrong reasons.) But I'm not down with the evil emperor becoming a starship captain or somesuch in our universe. There's no way she could ever be trusted, even if she's "reformed."
Um. No? Not at all.
Yeah. I'm all for redemption arcs in fiction. But actions should still have moral weight and consequences. It's simply morally monstrous to let someone off the hook because they always had "goodness in their heart" or something
Of course, early on the showrunners thought nothing of having fine upstanding Starfleet officers place bombs in the bodies of dead Klingons (a war crime) so I wouldn't be surprised if they don't think through the morality of the tales they are telling.
Am I crazy or did they pull a stamets switcharoo last episode and then totally forget about it? I’m excited for the next episode. A little nervous this show is going to become mycelial voyager and they’re going to be picking up goons from across the multiverse.
They didn't switch them. That was just a misinterpretation.
No, there never was a switcheroo.
Mirror Stamets was pretty clearly amoral - he was developing bioweapons after all, and he didn't care he was harming the network (although he probably didn't know he was killing it).
The problem with him however is he served too little of a narrative purpose after being introduced. From what Stamets saw in spore-land, it seemed to imply that he was some mastermind who was responsible for many of the actions this season - perhaps even actively working with Lorca. But on Sunday, we found out he's just a two-faced dweeb who reads off shield percentages and then gets vaporized.
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Haven't made it through the whole thread yet but does anyone else think that the ISS Discovery was time displaced when it switched with ours, and will show up later on? Or are we thinking it's already in the main universe and biding their time in hiding? Or bonus solution: they helped the Klingons win the war.
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