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Spoilers How will this season end?

Voyager had 7 of 9, an actual Borg drone, Starfleet's worst enemy, who had forcefully assimilated countless innocents, and made her a member of the Voyager crew and slowly rehabilitated her character. So there is precedence for taking a former enemy with no Federation mindset or credentials and rehabilitating the character. Starfleet could give Georgiou a temporary battlefield commission because of the war and then we see her struggle with Federation values at first but then eventually in the end, come to accept them.

A Borg at least has the excuse that, once assimilated, they had absolutely no control over their actions. Some of the crap 7 pulled after being de-assimilated was a bit dodgy though.

You could argue that MU Georgiou was a product of a much harsher universe, but there was still free will there.
 
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The ultimate "redemption"? They may also realize that they gave MU Lorca a ship (even if unknowingly) yet he virtually won the war against the Klingons for them (it doesn't matter what his ultimate goals were, his tactics were very successful against the Klingons). So since Starfleet is losing this war, it's not completely out of the realm of possibilities

Desperation because Starfleet is losing the war and badly needs seasoned officers.

To use an analogue, this isn't like the U.S. recruiting Wernher von Braun at the end of World War 2. This is like recruiting Hitler.

I'm all for redemption arcs - even for the nastiest of characters - but actions should have consequences.

Voyager had 7 of 9, an actual Borg drone, Starfleet's worst enemy, who had forcefully assimilated countless innocents, and made her a member of the Voyager crew and slowly rehabilitated her character. So there is precedence for taking a former enemy with no Federation mindset or credentials and rehabilitating the character. Starfleet could give Georgiou a temporary battlefield commission because of the war and then we see her struggle with Federation values at first but then eventually in the end, come to accept them.

Seven would never have been given a berth on a Starfleet ship if it happened in the Alpha Quadrant though - at least not without going to Starfleet Academy first.

It's just barely within reason to accept Georgiou could get some sort of unofficial role as a consultant for the Federation. But they are not going to put a woman like her in any position of command. She's just too dangerous.
 
If Georgiou somehow does end up in command of a Starfleet vessel, I have a feeling it'll be via the same trick that Lorca and Burnham pulled while crossing universes; they'll present her as the prime universe's Georgiou, claiming that Burnham mistakenly assumed she died aboard T'Kuvma's ship, and that she was being held hostage by the Klingons all this time. After all, it's not like there's a risk of the real Georgiou's body turning up, seeing how the Klingons ate it.
 
To use an analogue, this isn't like the U.S. recruiting Wernher von Braun at the end of World War 2. This is like recruiting Hitler.

Georgiou was indeed a tyrannical leader, like Hitler. But the flaw in your argument is that Georgiou is not just that, she is also the doppleganger of a decorated Starfleet captain. Deep down, she is similar to the Georgiou who died in the Prime Universe, she was just molded by different values. So, yes her values now are antithetical to Starfleet's values, but she also shares a lot of traits with the Prime Georgiou as well. She might be capable of changing.
 
Georgiou was indeed a tyrannical leader, like Hitler. But the flaw in your argument is that Georgiou is not just that, she is also the doppleganger of a decorated Starfleet captain. Deep down, she is similar to the Georgiou who died in the Prime Universe, she was just molded by different values. So, yes her values now are antithetical to Starfleet's values, but she also shares a lot of traits with the Prime Georgiou as well. She might be capable of changing.
So let her change while taking some sculpture classes. The only thing she has going for her in PU is that she has no victims around. To mis quote Picard "they have no punishment for her crime" but that doesn't mean they're going to give her a ship capable of general order 24. Von Braun did a great job for America's rocket program, but that didn't mean he had launch codes on missile row.
 
So let her change while taking some sculpture classes. The only thing she has going for her in PU is that she has no victims around. To mis quote Picard "they have no punishment for her crime" but that doesn't mean they're going to give her a ship capable of general order 24. Von Braun did a great job for America's rocket program, but that didn't mean he had launch codes on missile row.

I am actually not suggesting that Starfleet just hand her a starship immediately. But MU-Georgiou could stay on the Discovery with Burnham and provide tactical advice. Eventually, once she is redeemed, she could get a ship of her own.
 
I am actually not suggesting that Starfleet just hand her a starship immediately. But MU-Georgiou could stay on the Discovery with Burnham and provide tactical advice. Eventually, once she is redeemed, she could get a ship of her own.
mirror georgiou's storyline is obviously going to play out longer than just the remaining two episodes, but it can't be a coincidence discovery lost a captain we weren't supposed to like, regained at least the body of one we loved AND also happens to have a klingon aboard capable of transferring memories and personality from dead crew members into other bodies.

can it?
 
mirror georgiou's storyline is obviously going to play out longer than just the remaining two episodes, but it can't be a coincidence discovery lost a captain we weren't supposed to like, regained at least the body of one we loved AND also happens to have a klingon aboard capable of transferring memories and personality from dead crew members into other bodies.

can it?

Unless Klingons have the power to absorb the memories of people they've eaten, I don't think there's much they can do to bring back the original Georgiou. The real question is, to what extent is Mirror!Georgiou going to try to fit into our universe.
 
mirror georgiou's storyline is obviously going to play out longer than just the remaining two episodes, but it can't be a coincidence discovery lost a captain we weren't supposed to like, regained at least the body of one we loved AND also happens to have a klingon aboard capable of transferring memories and personality from dead crew members into other bodies.

can it?

Nope. Which is why I suspect that the show will find a way to redeem MU-Georgiou and maybe even make her captain of the Discovery in S2.
 
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Unless Klingons have the power to absorb the memories of people they've eaten, I don't think there's much they can do to bring back the original Georgiou. The real question is, to what extent is Mirror!Georgiou going to try to fit into our universe.
i have no idea what method they used to absorb random lieutenant ash tyler before they turned voq into a sleeper agent. but given the sketchy science and hand waving explanations of the process so far, i don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for them to have absorbed georgiou posthumously. and then had her for breakfast.

obviously, i don't know if they will go this route or not, but it's a way to revive a beloved character within the rules built into the series over the course of the voq/tyler arc. as close to believable as you get when you're raising characters from the dead.
 
mirror georgiou's storyline is obviously going to play out longer than just the remaining two episodes, but it can't be a coincidence discovery lost a captain we weren't supposed to like, regained at least the body of one we loved AND also happens to have a klingon aboard capable of transferring memories and personality from dead crew members into other bodies.

can it?

I'll be surprised if Yeoh lasts beyond the season, personally.

I would really hate the notion of "reformed" Georgiou being given a captaincy, especially considering they're probably going to reinstate Burnham. Is there nothing at all that can disqualify a person from commanding a Federation starship?
 
I think we'll eventually ping back to the main prime universe, where we have our familiar looking TNG Klingons, and starfleet is in TOS uniforms. However, we'll only see if for a partial episode, before we flick back to the Discovery universe, and where we then know they can do whatever they like with canon/continutity, like in the NuTrek films, as its all nicely explained away as being set in a multiverse/alternative reality.

Although, as I've been surprised by the plot lines so far, I was hoping, when they were "not in our time", they jumped forward a bit to TNG timeline!

Eitherway, the possibilities are endless. I'm loving it! :D
 
I'll be surprised if Yeoh lasts beyond the season, personally.

I would really hate the notion of "reformed" Georgiou being given a captaincy, especially considering they're probably going to reinstate Burnham. Is there nothing at all that can disqualify a person from commanding a Federation starship?
It would be just as nonsensical as giving Skrain Dukat command of a starship, if I think of it.
 
There's no way that the prime universe Starfleet would ever give mirror Georgiou a captaincy. The only way I see this ending, is if she sacrifices herself in battle during one of the remaining two episodes.
 
There's no way that the prime universe Starfleet would ever give mirror Georgiou a captaincy. The only way I see this ending, is if she sacrifices herself in battle during one of the remaining two episodes.
I'd rather see her eventually betraying Burnham and giving her a condescending speech to the effect of 'did you really believe...?', leaving Burnham with no choice at the end but to kill her.
 
From what various people on have said, along with hints etc from the program itself etc on TV, I think there is a perfectly viable way to bring the war and Georgiou arcs (and possibly the spore stuff) to a conclusion without resorting to a time travel reset.

  1. When USS Discovery returned to the PU, either the ISS Discovery returned to the MU or it had been destroyed at some point in the intervening 9 months anyway (being a "standard non-spore" vessel). Let's assume it was intact and causing some trouble for at least some of that period, so Starfleet knows of the MU. Does Starfleet Command REALLY want the non-human Federation Worlds to know about the MU, what humans are capable of if they wanted (remember that Ferengi chat about humans in DS9?), particularly given point (2) I'm coming to?
  2. Georgiou uses her battle training, together with her knowledge of what was redacted from the Defiant logs, to help Starfleet win the war. We can also add in the fact Starfleet (if it hasn't worked it out already based on the partial data upload from Discovery before the MU arc) can now detect Klingon cloaked ships. So Georgiou - in a strictly advisory role, under shackles - helps Starfleet but has become a major and very very dangerous military asset, who, incidentally, is now a target for non-human mercenaries across the Federation.

Anyway, whether through double-crossing Burnham or some other plot device, Georgiou has to die (again). All knowledge of the MU becomes classified by Starfleet (hence why Kirk and the Enterprise know nothing of it in TOS), along with some very tasty general information on events to come (up to the point of Defiant's "loss" from the PU). This is, of course, using the old time-travelling trope of the self-fulfilling future based on such knowledge, but isn't a reset per se. Starfleet probably gained more in the way of knowledge of specific major events from the Defiant logs, rather than "what some random Admiral had for breakfast on Stardate 1950.03" so provided the writers don't start using this as a get-out-of-jail-free card (which would be a big worry to me) then it resolves Georgiou and the war arcs.

The mycellial network may live a little longer, but I suspect that MU ability to understand it died with MU Stamets and that at some point soon - either in S2 (after utilising that Tilly spore scene as a prelude to something) or as part of the Georgiou plan in these last two episodes of S1 - entry to it becomes blocked forever. (They seem to have boxed themselves in regarding destroying it since they've now established it would take down the multiverse).

Caveats: this relies on a lot of people (on Discovery for instance) keeping schtum about the MU, and on Killy not having caused enough mischief for knowledge of a rogue MU ship to have got to the ears of key people like Scotty and Spock (who may already be posted to Enterprise) or Kirk (on the USS Republic?) since I think the finale will show one or both ships in some final war-ending battle as yet another homage to TOS.

I'll admit elements of this are a stretch, but then again a time travel reset is IMO even worse in terms of plot etc and we already know the Federation has NOT been defeated - it and Starfleet has merely taken very heavy losses.
 
Nope. Which is why I suspect that the show will find a way to redeem MU-Georgiou and maybe even make her captain of the Discovery in S2.

As much I like Georgiou both PU and MU versions, the notion of Emperor Georgiou being redeemed and rehabilitated to become a starfleet officer after a lifetime as a dictator is total garbage. She is most likely responsible for the deaths of millions if not billions of people. There isn't really any way a character can be redeemed from that in a believable way. My guess is that there are two options for Georgiou, she will either die to save Burnham (most likely) or the Federation will imprison her (less likely).
 
How the fuck could that possibly happen?

MU Georgiou isn't a Starfleet officer. She's never been to Starfleet Academy or any of the other organizations which have reciprocity, like the Vulcan Science Academy. She is a known former emperor, mass murderer, and eats sentient beings for her own pleasure. Why would Starfleet ever give her a battlefield commission, let alone a ship?

It's even less impluasible than letting "Ash Tyler" continue to serve. At least "Ash" has a Federation mind written over his old one.
The way this show is written any shit could happen.
 
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