USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[STR]

That doesn't change the fact.

Sure it does: it means starfleet officers (like all humans) do not use strict terminology at all times.

On the other hand, somebody at HQ commissioned a plaque that read "Enterprise Class"...which would only happen with a conversion.

The one phrase you never see on screen is "Constitution Class Refit" which (AFAIK) is some mumbo-jumbo invented for the Encyclopedia, a piece of tie-in merchandise.

 

[David cgc]

It's a refit because it's called that in universe.

Well, not exactly.

Scotty says they've been "redesigning and refitting the Enterprise," and the alien ensign refers to Decker being on the ship "for every minute of her refitting" (in the Director's Cut and SLV). That's twice, not very specific to which part of the work it refers to, and every other use of the term "refit" in canon Trek has been consistent with the real-world meaning of the term and not the definition of "total reconstruction into a radically different design" that it picked up in fanon and ancillary materials.*

The movie itself refers to what happened as a "redesign" more often, with Scotty's line above, plus Decker twice calling it "the Enterprise/ship's redesign" when explaining why the phasers were broken in Kirk's quarters. That likely would've been the more correct name to give it, but "refit" is a shorter, punchier word to say, so that's probably why it won out.

*Thanks to chakoteya.net for letting me say that so authoritatively with so little actual research.

 

[Tuskin38]

Cross post, the Defiant has some similarities to the Shenzhou

Mainly something intersecting the nacelle strut.

The Defiant also has a fin, maybe two on it's secondary hull similar to the Shenzhou

 

[F. King Daniel]

^I'm pretty sure that's actually the nacelle fin. I thougnt it was something on the secondary hull too at first.

 

[Tuskin38]

^I'm pretty sure that's actually the nacelle fin. I thougnt it was something on the secondary hull too at first.

I dunno, I think the angle is off.

But it is possible.

 

[David cgc]

Well, that's the end of that chapter.

Yup! Modified by Terrans

 

[Dukhat]

Well, that's the end of that chapter.

So if this is the Defiant from "The Tholian Web" that was sent back in time to the Mirror Universe, and the Discovery jumped into the Mirror Universe, it still stands to reason that DSC doesn't necessarily have to take place in the Prime Universe.

 

[Tuskin38]

it still stands to reason that DSC doesn't necessarily have to take place in the Prime Universe.

DSC is prime universe.

I know, I know, Trek yards, but they have some neat mockups/models of what that modified Defiant could look like, just skip through the video with audio off or something.

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[PixelMagic]

DSC is prime universe.

I know, I know, Trek yards, but they have some neat mockups/models of what that modified Defiant could look like, just skip through the video with audio off or something.

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They also confirmed with production that the look is post-Terran Empire upgrades, so there ya go. The Enterprise will not look like that.

 

[Tuskin38]

They also confirmed with production that the look is post-Terran Empire upgrades, so there ya go. The Enterprise will not look like that.

Someone posted Ted's tweet two posts above mine as well.

 

[Dukhat]

DSC is prime universe.

This fan doesn’t buy that CBS-PR spiel nonsense.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Neither do I, mainly because I realize it's not even PR. The people who made those statements were speaking in interviews and conventions and weren't actually engaged in any coordinated PR effort. They may have been speaking of something that was INTENDED to happen but was never given official blessing by the producers themselves. It happens all the time.

 

[Tuskin38]

but was never given official blessing by the producers themselves.

I'm almost certain one of the statements was made by a producer.

And one of the statements was made on the comic-con panel.

This fan doesn’t buy that CBS-PR spiel nonsense.

It wasn't PR.

AND CBS owns Star Trek, they know what's Prime and what isn't.

Anything else is opinion, not fact.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, that's the end of that chapter.

Hey...get that logic out of here!

 

[STR]

I'm almost certain one of the statements was made by a producer.

And one of the statements was made on the comic-con panel.


It wasn't PR.

AND CBS owns Star Trek, they know what's Prime and what isn't.

Anything else is opinion, not fact.

CBS also maintains that anything and everything outside of what's shown on-screen doesn't really count. It's apocryphal. Having said that, I see zero reason to not take the statement at face value. It's prime continuity with a modest visual reboot. Not sure what the big deal is. If they show the USS Enterprise and the crew isn't wearing ugly turtlenecks with obvious zippers, that doesn't mean Pike & Co. didn't go to Talos IV and hung out with some telepaths for a few days.

It's the story and characters that counts.

 

[Longinus]

Well, that's the end of that chapter.

Athe be praised! This is great news!

 

[Tuskin38]

To be fair, that doesn't guarantee that the normal Connie won't look different, it just won't look like that.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

To be fair, that doesn't guarantee that the normal Connie won't look different, it just won't look like that.

I think we all know the connie wont be tos style

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Cross post, the Defiant has some similarities to the Shenzhou

Mainly something intersecting the nacelle strut.

The Defiant also has a fin, maybe two on it's secondary hull similar to the Shenzhou

^I'm pretty sure that's actually the nacelle fin. I thougnt it was something on the secondary hull too at first.

If it's a fin on the port nacelle, it's bigger than the one we see on the starboard.

 

[Tuskin38]

Plus it's going at the wrong angle.