Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

[XCV330]

Though I for one would not complain about Tilly in a cat suit, I agree 100%

I feel the need to develop Catsuit Universe fanfiction.

 

[Nyotarules]

So that's it. I was wondering why a 32 year old was playing 20! (Works now, but if this show goes 5-7 years you'd be running into 90210 syndrome.) Tilly's in her thirties too, that makes more sense.

23rd century Humans can live past 137, 30 is the new 20!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'll just hazard a guess that a majority of 20-something characters in ANY genre are played by actors older than the part.

 

[eschaton]

You're male right?

Yes, and straight. Does that mean I can't be a judge of another man's looks?

I can completely understand how someone can simultaneously be weird looking and hot. I've had that experience many times with women. And it's also not because he's "brown" - Alexander Siddig was (and still is) a very handsome guy.

Honestly, as I said, a lot of the issue with Latif is that dreadful beard which makes it look like his chin melts into his neck. He's way too thin to look good with an untrimmed short beard with a "natural" neck line. Looking at pictures of him off the show, his facial hair looks better, so they must be instructing him to keep the "didn't shave for two weeks, and don't give a shit" look.

They will end up in the Federation of the 1960's lol and like Dr Sam Beckett will never return home just leaping from universe to universe with their defective spore drive.

Yeah, that's my crazy idea. So far the show hasn't surprised me at all (I saw the Voq=Tyler thing like a week before it blew up online) so we will see.

 

[cultcross]

Spock's entire existence makes no sense if the Terran Empire is humans only.

Your main issue here is that you're trying to apply logic to the mirror universe. If you stop, the issue disappears.

 

[eschaton]

I'll just hazard a guess that a majority of 20-something characters in ANY genre are played by actors older than the part.

IIRC, the only Trek characters played by 20somethings at the start of their run were Sulu, Bashir, Harry Kim, Kes, Seven, T'Pol, and Soto.

 

[jaime]

To the posters asking questions about the empire you need to ask your history teachers for a refund, considering the USA used to be part of an empire. What happened to that rebellion you had?

The oppressed become the opressors. That and brand relabelling.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Worked for ValueJet.

 

[Nyotarules]

Yes, and straight. Does that mean I can't be a judge of another man's looks?

It means you will never understand what straight women find appealing..and why.

Same reason why I don't get why being a blonde haired and blue eyed female is generally, considered the number 1 on the human, beauty totem pole....(propaganda from European fairy tales methinks).

 

[GeekUSACarl]

It means you will never understand what straight women find appealing..and why.

Straight women, like lesbians or straight men or gay men are pretty varied and find a range of things attractive. a straight man can understand what a straight woman finds attractive just by listening to them. Not all straight women find the same thing attractive. Not all wome like men with beards, some women hate men with no facial hair.

Some women find ripped men attractive but think bruce lee is not attractive,

Either way doesn't mean straight mens opinions on the looks of other men are less valid.

 

[Spot261]

It means you will never understand what straight women find appealing..and why.

Mildly disagree, I think it is possible to have an abstract understanding of these things, it's just few of us do.

 

[Nyotarules]

Straight women, like lesbians or straight men or gay men are pretty varied and find a range of things attractive. a straight man can understand what a straight woman finds attractive just by listening to them. Not all straight women find the same thing attractive. Not all wome like men with beards, some women hate men with no facial hair.

Some women find ripped men attractive but think bruce lee is not attractive,

Either way doesn't mean straight mens opinions on the looks of other men are less valid.

This is what happens when people take every thing I write seriously... oh well.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

This is what happens when people take every thing I write seriously... oh well.

I missed it.

Its a slow morning for me, ill catch up soon

 

[Albinator]

...Albeit unintentionally, as TIlly's looks are played exclusively for laughs - it's a plot point that she's supposed to have bad looks and worse social skills.

Of course, now that Tilly has switched roles to MU eye candy, the usage may change. Again possibly unintentionally, although I would gather the whole Captain Killy thing has been specifically designed to change the character and give her new self-assurance and whatnot. (And, no doubt, the initial goofiness was also designed as maximal contrast for this planned-for change.)

While this is what is really going on in the show, none of this has anything to do with any of the issues below:

1) Whether fans find Tilly/Wiseman attractive or not (sign me in the former camp, at any rate)
2) Whether T/W is attractive or not, in some metric or another
3) Whether T/W is a role model or not, for some agenda or another, intended or not

It is likely to have something to do with these, though:

4) Whether T/W represents a trend or an exception-emphasizes-the-rule case
5) Whether DSC will do more of the sort with other characters, that is, deviate from Hollywood rules of aesthetics on body, face, personality, teeth or whatever
6) Whether W gets typecast

Timo Saloniemi

Her looks have never been played for laughs, only her social awkwardness. It is more likely that they were looking for someone who could play that kind of character 1) convincingly 2) dramatically and 3) had good comic timing.

It just so happened she wasn't super slim. It's like saying they INTENTIONALLY wanted a bald, British actor to play Picard for diversity, when we all know the story of how and why he was cast-- that it had nothing to do with his head and accent, and some at the studio actively fought against his casting.

I would not be at all surprised if Wiseman was simply the best actress to audition for the role.

And as far as her awkwardness goes, it's not much different than Barclay, who's social anxieties were played for laughs and for serious on different occasions, just like Tilly.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I....
nevermind

 

[Albinator]

This statement says all we need to know about you. "Boo hoo, I don't get to ogle the hot woman"

Also, I wasn't even sure who this guy is referring to as "the hot woman" as I find Burnham, Tilly, and Giorgiou equally attractive. The "Arium woman" he referenced is played by Sara Mitich, who happens to be the only skinny white blonde girl in the cast.

Hmmm... I wonder why he doesn't find the black woman, the asian woman, and the not skinny woman attractive? Sounds like HE'S the one with the problem here.

 

[Albinator]

Yeah it is, it showed I didn’t like it, gave it a chance, like it. I think the fact I cross from one side to the other shows I didn’t have blind hate nor have blind love for it.

That's not a centrist position, that's a lack of predetermined bias.

 

[MvRojo]

Also if the Discovery now knows about what happens with the Defiant why wouldn't they warn Starfleet about it when they get back?

Temporal Prime Directive

 

[Albinator]

Temporal Prime Directive

I also suspect a lot will happen by the end of the season such that we won't ask that question, just like the spore drive, that we now know requires the torture of a living being to operate.

 

[jaime]

That's not a centrist position, that's a lack of predetermined bias.

Meh. Here I am stuck in the middle...