Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

[Vger23]

Yeah, that's a good one. I speak with a bit of a southern accent and take shit from *some* people who, for some reason, think just because we talk with an accent means we are evil, bigoted, and stupid without getting to know us.

Maybe that's why I have a tendency to like Lorca as a captain and give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm really hoping they don't turn him into a villain. I can live with morally ambiguous though. I like how they have made him complex.



No way I'm posting my pics again lol.

Nothing more ironic that being "profiled" by others as an ignorant bigot just because of an accent...!

 

[XCV330]

Tilly is definitely more complicated than a casual observer would recognize. She didn't hesitate to draw on the Klingon in the wreck of the Glenn.

 

[Tuskin38]

From TrekCore, the top left of the MU Shenzhou's plaque appears to say 'Long Live the Empire'

 

[Captain Robau]

If I had a daughter, this is exactly the kind of hero I'd want her to see on the TV screen...someone who is strong, smart, driven, funny and naturally beautiful inside and out (and not conformed to some narrow, ugly notion of what "female beauty" should be).

I do have a daughter and would be very proud if she turned out like that and am glad there are characters like that for her to look up to. Well said.

Funny thing too, my daughter is a red head

 

[Prax]

Until now, I couldn't definitively pin down Lorca. I was mostly sure he was from the mirror universe. There was a moment in this episode that completely verified that all of the "where the hell are we?" stuff is an act. Burnham(was it Burnham? Maybe Saru?) suggests looking back through the navigational records to see what went wrong. He immediately cuts her off with his own theory and how to proceed, covering up his deed. This can only delay the inevitable discovery of his "override."

 

[137th Gebirg]

Yeah, that's a good one. I speak with a bit of a southern accent and take shit from *some* people who, for some reason, think just because we talk with an accent means we are evil, bigoted, and stupid without getting to know us.

I get that a lot too. Spent most of my life in Virginia and developed an accent from it. Elitist city folk like to underestimate me, particularly in business. It used to irk me and now I use it to my advantage to manipulate them. If they want to think I'm as dumb as a bag of hammers, that's fine. They'll never see it coming.

As Tyrion Lannister once said, “Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you."

I live by those words every day, even before GRRM wrote it in his first book.

 

[Vger23]

Until now, I couldn't definitively pin down Lorca. I was mostly sure he was from the mirror universe. There was a moment in this episode that completely verified that all of the "where the hell are we?" stuff is an act. Burnham(was it Burnham? Maybe Saru?) suggests looking back through the navigational records to see what went wrong. He immediately cuts her off with his own theory and how to proceed, covering up his deed. This can only delay the inevitable discovery of his "override."

You know, I am the self-proclaimed World's Foremost Lorca Apologist...but yes...I noticed this as well.

 

[Prax]

I personally think Tilly is the least photogenic lead since DeForrest back in TOS, and it feels a bit notable because usually the leads are shiny. Whether that’s because Hollywood, or because Idealised future, well that’s a different convo. To clarify, I don’t really look at heavy alien make-up leads, though I didn’t fancy Neelix either.
Commenting on the leads appearance seems to be OK if it’s all positive, and I am pretty sure, somewhere out there, there are people all gooey eyed (I said eyes.) about Ash or Lorca or Stamets. Tilly seems to have her admirers out in force atm.
Me...I laugh at the jokes that arise from her character, but she seems to be pretty much an annoying comic relief character. Which puts her back in the Neelix box.
My previous ‘least photogenic since De’ holders include The Doctor, Chakotay, Miles O’Brien...the TNG crew were pretty much all photogenic. And they all have their salivating fanbases too I am sure.
It’s a thing with TV and film actors and actresses, has been since before they had sound. As long as no one is actually full on nasty about it, I don’t see what the point is. This is a job where in many cases ‘attractiveness’ is often part of the job (or you get lumped in as ‘character actor’ and people having ‘leading man’ ‘leading lady’ looks is definitely a thing.) so *shrug*
I actually think L’rell is prettier in or out or make-up, and I don’t even like the new Klingons.

It is quite telling that some of the stills on twitter and stuff often run a beauty pass on shots with Tilly in. But that’s society for you.

None of which is really a comment on the actress, just Trek casting traditions really. I haven’t really seen enough of her to judge her acting (as a viewer with limited acting knowledge) but am not a fan of Tilly.

As a totally aside, did Culbertson actor really call himself and Rapp ‘Space Poufs’in The after show? I was flicking through to see the preview, and that (including him pronouncing the word wrong) took me by surprise but my ears may have tricked me. That show is a mess of noise after all.

Chakotay? Name ONE star trek actor with teeth so perfect & sparkly white, or with a chin such as his!!

Betcha can't!

 

[matthunter]

If Lorca IS from the MU, then he's got a serious pair on him devising this plan to act as Burnham's captive - he HAD to know there'd be no escaping a stint in the agonizer booth...

 

[Captain Robau]

You know, I am the self-proclaimed World's Foremost Lorca Apologist...but yes...I noticed this as well.

He did cut them off, but I thought he gave them authorization to review the jump logs just not right then? He can only buy but so much time. I still hold out hope this is all for the greater good.

 

[Prax]

I think he did know, and was willing. In the Terran Starfleet, everyone knows what the agony booth is like.

Mirror Archer took over his ship knowing his mutiny would fail, set the ship on autopilot, then surrendered knowing he would spend time in the booth. The mission was more important.

I also think Lorca selected his crew for a reason, obviously Burnham but also Cadet Tilly.

 

[Amaris]

And yet 10 years later MuSpock is XO under MuKirk with his Vulcan bodyguards and 100 years before that the evil Enterprise was more diverse than the good ship TOS Enterprise.

There's a reason why I didn't like the previous MU episodes. One of them is that in a supposed Terran Empire, there were aliens on board being treated equally. That didn't make any sense at all. I feel that DSC is the first one to get that right. There may be aliens in the Terran Empire, but they're subservient species, not bridge officers.

I'm wondering, too, if Ash remembers what he does when Voq is in charge. He knows something is wrong, but can he comprehend what his other self is saying/doing. Talk about split personality!

Agreed. He seems to black out, or else hides it very well, I'm not sure. The spoken code that L'Rell uses on him seems to only half undo the programming, which leaves him a gibbering mess. Culber will be discovered soon, and I'm not sure where it's going from there.

 

[Captain Robau]

I think he did know, and was willing. In the Terran Starfleet, everyone knows what the agony booth is like.

Mirror Archer took over his ship knowing his mutiny would fail, set the ship on autopilot, then surrendered knowing he would spend time in the booth. The mission was more important.

I also think Lorca selected his crew for a reason, obviously Burnham but also Cadet Tilly.

My mind is seriously blown by this. Dammit I think you're right because it makes too much sense.

 

[Prax]

It's exciting

 

[Vger23]

My mind is seriously blown by this. Dammit I think you're right because it makes too much sense.

The evidence to the contrary is (just to play the other side of the coin here):

1. He seems genuinely befuddled by not showing up at the Starbase...
2. When records reveal that Tilly is captain of the Discovery, he convincingly stammers "Thats absurd!!!" which I actually thought was hilarious.

 

[XCV330]

If Lorca IS from the MU, then he's got a serious pair on him devising this plan to act as Burnham's captive - he HAD to know there'd be no escaping a stint in the agonizer booth...

“Captain Lorca is not a man who fears the things normal people fear" -Saru

 

[T'Bonz]

I'm not a fan of the "kill off the character only to revive him/her later." It's a cheat and makes a joke out of whatever emotions you feel initially at the death. If they're going to kill someone, keep him/her dead or don't bother.

As for Tilly's looks? I'm not a fan of the character as I find Tilly annoying. But it's nice to see an actress on TV that isn't super-thin. The actress is a pretty girl (as one must be to be on TV of course), but she looks like someone I could encounter in real life, not someone who just stepped off of a modeling runway to appear on a show.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There's a reason why I didn't like the previous MU episodes. One of them is that in a supposed Terran Empire, there were aliens on board being treated equally. That didn't make any sense at all. I feel that DSC is the first one to get that right. There may be aliens in the Terran Empire, but they're subservient species, not bridge officers.

It was like that in ENT as well. Apart from T'Pol, the other aliens were all slaves or low ranking crewmembers (such as mirror Soval on the Avenger).

 

[Tuskin38]

There's a reason why I didn't like the previous MU episodes. One of them is that in a supposed Terran Empire, there were aliens on board being treated equally.

They were not in Enterprise.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

The Defiant - Here's what a Constitution class Starship looks like - at least the outline.

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No way of knowing if that is an image from the Empire's initial acquisition of the ship or following their modifications, so the actual look of the DiSC iteration of the Connie is an open question