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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

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I wonder how Burnham is going to feel when she finds out she's dating the guy who ate her mentor/mother figure.
 
You can say STD, you're not the only one who uses it here.
Indeed. There are no rules about the 'correct' abbreviation regardless of what certain loud voices say. STD, DSC, DIS, ST:D (a favorite early on before people realised the issue), Star Trek Discovery Brought to you by CBS All Access, Discovery, Disco,... I'm running out. Use whichever you like.
 
Some of the things people are saying about Mary Wiseman are absolutely horrendous. A person's professional and personal worth is not measured by how much of a boner they give you.

On the episode, it really affirmed the love I have for this show. The first half of S1 was something I went into expecting the worst and it blew me away with its sheer quality, it's sense of itself, how quickly it found its feet compared to every other trek show (most of them meandered around for like forty episodes before properly emerging as the shoe they are remembered as, for better or worse).

But whether or not DIS really *felt* like Star Trek was up in the air for me at first, which was my only niggle - wondering whether or not 2017's take on Star Trek was so different a beast that it constituted a different species. But nah. This episode has snuffed out any lingering doubts. It's back, baby.

I'm usually the first person to rail against fanwank so I don't know how to feel about everything I've just said.

I know and understand why a lot of people I've spoken to have bounced right off DIS, but for my money it's absolutely the best Star Trek since Deep Space 9 and absolutely on course to be every bit as good.
 
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I liked this episode but I still can't stand Tilly. As constructed she seems to be pointless character - why do we need a cadet on a starship? I also don't like how the writers still have this issue of taking shortcuts to get from point A to Z. One example of this is Doctor Culber being bumped off - clearly they needed to kill him off, show that Tyler was Voq and get VoqTyler to be Burnham's bodyguard. However it makes no sense that during a war, a person who is potentially been interferred with by the enemy would be told that information by doctor. VoqTyler is a danger to himself and the crew, Culber would have needed to inform the Captain first and have security present when dealing with VoqTyler.
 
If the Mirror Discovery doesn’t get back to their universe the same way,, we might have a battle between the two discovery’s.

If they destroy the ISS Discovery before it gets back home that would tie up a loose end.
 
I get people don't like Star Trek - Discovery, I truly do. But what I don't get is those same people continuing to watch it and then go online and be like a party pooper and trying to ruin the fun that other fans have.

It's so silly and childish...

What a pathetic life one must lead.
 
You cant say that im afriad. The moderator enforced orthodoxy does allow sexual attraction to be voiced her. You cant say she is ugly either....

Some posters and a few mods are being a little too sensitive and close minded to Attentiveluke. He had a different view than expressed by others on this board. I see nothing wrong with him expressing this view (even though I disagree with him). Whatever happened to infinite diversity in infinite combinations? Shouldn't we discuss these types of comments rather than outright call someone a troll - which is one step away from censoring? The guy had an opinion, sheesh.

Also about Dr. Culbert and people complaining that he was killed - yes I was incredibly disappointed that he died as I liked his character, BUT THAT IS WHY THEY DID IT. His death had an impact on the viewers. It made me feel something. Why can't we look at his and Stamets relationship as a relationship between 2 people? No agenda, just 2 persons who love each other and the fact that Stamets will be devastated when he finds out that his significant other has died? That is gut wrenching in itself. Why must we place a spin on the sexuality of the characters? Isn't it their feelings for each other that matter?

And about Tilly. People can get mad when I say this or give me an infraction (again) but she is just downright sexy in every capacity. She is cute, competent, smart, can take charge, and can kick ass. I don't care if she is a woman or not or is wearing a miniskirt. The proof is in the pudding. BTW, it's a mole not a wart. I think it makes her relateable.

For a board of people who assert that they are smart and inclusive, some of the posters here make me wonder sometimes.

/rant
 
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Then you misused the term "Trek jargon", because the M.U in DSC isn't really a case of "Trek jargon". This whole comparison of characters randomly dropping technobabble like "beam me up" versus the exposition of the Mirror Universe we just had in this Ep. doesn't really add up.

The episode didn't start with Burnham going like "Hey, Captain! We're in the Mirror Universe", expecting the audience to understand instantly what she was talking about. They actually spent a lot of time trying to explain to the audience the concept of Parallel Universes and then tried to explain the characteristics of this Parallel Universe they're in.



How Parallel Universes are hard to get ? Literally every piece of Live Action Sci-fi that contained Parallel Universes in the last few decades had entire sequences dedicated only for the sake of explaining what they are. That annoying Glass Board on CW's Flash is one example that comes to mind. The same goes for Fringe, if you only watch the Episodes they're in the Red Universe you won't find it really much difficult to understand that's an Alternative Reality. Given the giant Zeppelins, the Twin Towers, the MLK dollar bills and the bronze Statue of Liberty... And the characters constantly talking about how their lives could've been different. Nope, not really difficult to guess what this "Red Universe" is all about.

You're not getting it, aren't you?
It's not about not being able to follow the bare bones of the structure. It's about being able to get the full experience by simply watching it. It's the same with ST09: "Oh, Nero's motivation makes no sense? Well, it's explained in the comic book, you need to read THAT first!". Sorry. I'm not doing that. If your character motivations are shit, and I need to research and buy external material to make sense of them for the thing I'm watching in the first place - yeah, I'm not going to buy that but will complain your character motivations are shit.

Same rules for DIS. Nobody will not get what has happened this episode. It will just come across as really stupid If you're unfamiliar with these specific old episodes.
 
Instead of STD why not DSC or DVY I think DIS make sense as it matches ENT and VOY.
 
Some posters and a few mods are being a little to sensitive and close minded to Attentiveluke. He had a different view than expressed by others on this board.

I'd agree with you if his dissenting view didn't include a mean-spirited and dehumanising attack on an actress's appearance.

Freedom of speech =/= freedom from being called out for shitty behaviour.
 
I liked this episode but I still can't stand Tilly. As constructed she seems to be pointless character - why do we need a cadet on a starship? I also don't like how the writers still have this issue of taking shortcuts to get from point A to Z. One example of this is Doctor Culber being bumped off - clearly they needed to kill him off, show that Tyler was Voq and get VoqTyler to be Burnham's bodyguard. However it makes no sense that during a war, a person who is potentially been interferred with by the enemy would be told that information by doctor. VoqTyler is a danger to himself and the crew, Culber would have needed to inform the Captain first and have security present when dealing with VoqTyler.

Why do we have student teachers?
It’s the same principle.
Why was Wesley a bridge officer before going to the academy?
 
I liked this episode but I still can't stand Tilly. As constructed she seems to be pointless character - why do we need a cadet on a starship? I also don't like how the writers still have this issue of taking shortcuts to get from point A to Z. One example of this is Doctor Culber being bumped off - clearly they needed to kill him off, show that Tyler was Voq and get VoqTyler to be Burnham's bodyguard. However it makes no sense that during a war, a person who is potentially been interferred with by the enemy would be told that information by doctor. VoqTyler is a danger to himself and the crew, Culber would have needed to inform the Captain first and have security present when dealing with VoqTyler.

I think that this criticism of Dr. Culber is a little unfair, IMHO. I re-watched the episode last night, and he started out that session with Tyler by asking a few more medical questions -- in other words, he had not yet made a full diagnosis when their meeting began. And the other factor is that he is trained as a doctor, not a security officer. His training is to normally be open and honest with a patient, not to deceive them and arrange for security, etc.

I was horribly shocked by the sudden murder, I didn't expect it. I don't think that it's fair to think that he should have seen something coming that I failed to see myself. Just IMHO.
 
I liked this episode but I still can't stand Tilly. As constructed she seems to be pointless character - why do we need a cadet on a starship? I also don't like how the writers still have this issue of taking shortcuts to get from point A to Z. One example of this is Doctor Culber being bumped off - clearly they needed to kill him off, show that Tyler was Voq and get VoqTyler to be Burnham's bodyguard. However it makes no sense that during a war, a person who is potentially been interferred with by the enemy would be told that information by doctor. VoqTyler is a danger to himself and the crew, Culber would have needed to inform the Captain first and have security present when dealing with VoqTyler.


Wasn't Nog a Cadet during some of his time onboard The Defiant/Starbase Deep Space Nine. I can't remember exactly but did DSN say that a part of their academy training Cadets spend sometime onboard a ship/starbase?
 
I'd agree with you if his dissenting view didn't include a mean-spirited and dehumanising attack on an actress's appearance.

Freedom of speech =/= freedom from being called out for shitty behaviour.

Agreed. Call someone out for being a dick, but don't censor their opinion (or threat to censor). Agree to disagree with them. I'm on board with that.
 
Yeah I mean, a lot of people die because they just didn't realise how much danger they were in. Or because they didn't realise until it was too late to do anything about it. Or because they didn't follow procedure. Or because they trusted someone. I don't think it's a fair criticism at all, in fact I think his death was so shocking because it was so realistic - it was sudden, and avoidable. Most deaths outside of hospital beds are.

I think that this criticism of Dr. Culber is a little unfair, IMHO. I re-watched the episode last night, and he started out that session with Tyler by asking a few more medical questions -- in other words, he had not yet made a full diagnosis when their meeting began. And the other factor is that he is trained as a doctor, not a security officer. His training is to normally be open and honest with a patient, not to deceive them and arrange for security, etc.

I was horribly shocked by the sudden murder, I didn't expect it. I don't think that it's fair to think that he should have seen something coming that I failed to see myself. Just IMHO.
 
Am extremely curious now about the other races we do know, do they exist in the Mirror U, and how are their stories different. Hirogen. Vidians. Do the Sona even exist? What about Suliban? The Dominion? The Borg?
Not advocating for Dominion or Borg episodes, just hope they drop in some variants of the history we already know. The Alternate History stuff is fascinating.
 
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