And that's the fatal flaw in this argument.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Again, they are looking at computer data. Until we physically see the Defiant, there's nothing to suggest she is still in service. They are looking for data files on the Shenzou. They are not looking for Defiant, herself.
Not really, They simply did not have the knew how to improve it. They had a ship a 100 years ahead of them, it could already outfight anything anyone else had. You can't just add more weapons because ya want more. Until recently ( based off the ships we have seen) they simply did not have the ability to recreate that ship, much less add more weapons to the ship they could not build.
That doesn't mean they didn't try or that they didn't want more weapons.
They never have before, was the MU Enterprise more powerful or redesigned ? No, what about the MU defiant? Nope, same ship IIRC.
Even that ship had a refit/upgrade. Or made a chameleon circuit with the way it would shift between designs at times.
I can't decide if that's the Great Gazoo or a Who from Whoville.TNG Andorians or riot.
Did we see the capailities of the MU Enterprise?
What we saw is zero upgrades. The MU Enterprise was a copy of the Defiant, after all, they had her first. Did you see a single upgrade?
No, but I'm just speculating that the Defiant might have been a testbed.
Zero reason to think this. Its the oldest ship in the fleet, its a 120 years old and they have been building ships just like it for 10 to 15 years.The TOS Episode would have been 10 years after this, we saw no indication of any "modifications". You guys are just gonna have to accept they redesigned the ship.
That doesn't mean they didn't at least think about doing so or attempt a weapons upgrade and then remove them because they were inefficient or overkill, even for the Terran Empire's military.
Visual reboot or not, that is not an attractive Connie. Sorry. I sincerely doubt it'll look anything like that wireframe model when we see the actual ship, but if it did - ick.
Face it, a lot of us think the same about this design as you do about the original Matt Jefferies design from the mid-'60s.
Face it, a lot of us think the same about this design as you do about the original Matt Jefferies design from the mid-'60s.
I would think that it might take the Terran Empire some time to reverse engineer how to make some of the components that were on USS Defiant. And that over time they would place parts of it with whatever they could come up with. Eventually their technology/industrial base would catch up with the technology found on USS Defiant and they could start building ships nearly identical to how they found her in 2155. But ships built before that would not be quite as good as they would be using local equivalent materials and half understood technology for several decades.
ISS Enterprise was probably one of the main line production model Imperial Starship Class vessels and one of the first with the actual technology they had been attempting to copy since USS Defiant arrived. ISS Enterprise could have some other systems, or they made her as baseline as possible, so that the typically aggressive and power hungry starship captains given one of these ships wouldn't be able to face off against the Emperor's own starship in single combat. Assuming the Emperor still uses USS Defiant as their personal flagship and symbol of power.
USS Defiant being that personal flagship of the Empire does make the choose of building a new Defiant at Terrok Nor based again on a Federation starship both ironic and troubling. The rebel's Defiant basically being a new symbol of the old Terran Empire and again a superior starship to about anything in their region of the galaxy. Which mean they could have named it after the old USS Defiant, rather than Sisko's ship which they stole the plans off of.
ISS Enterprise was probably one of the main line production model Imperial Starship Class vessels and one of the first with the actual technology they had been attempting to copy since USS Defiant arrived. ISS Enterprise could have some other systems, or they made her as baseline as possible, so that the typically aggressive and power hungry starship captains given one of these ships wouldn't be able to face off against the Emperor's own starship in single combat. Assuming the Emperor still uses USS Defiant as their personal flagship and symbol of power.
USS Defiant being that personal flagship of the Empire does make the choose of building a new Defiant at Terrok Nor based again on a Federation starship both ironic and troubling. The rebel's Defiant basically being a new symbol of the old Terran Empire and again a superior starship to about anything in their region of the galaxy. Which mean they could have named it after the old USS Defiant, rather than Sisko's ship which they stole the plans off of.
Tyler noticed! Jesus, I posted this before but no one paid attention. Stop making me do extra work.
Watch the clip again. Lorca goes off on how the Defiant will save them, and the only person actually looking at the screen is Tyler. And he continues to stare at the screen in disbelief. He's saying "WTF?! That's no Constitution Class!" But no one cares. No one cares, except the Human who is actually a Klingon... Yes, the only one who cares is the one who got just as big a reboot as the wireframe Connie he's staring at.
#KlingonKarma
He just stars at the screen, he says nothing, no one does as they know what the ship is. They seem confused as to how a Federation ship got here before them when they KNOW that ship is still active. That was the only issue any of them raised, they knew it was the same ship that was currently active and not missing.
You need to fucking relax, Cupcake. Humor, such a difficult concept. It was a joke.
Or WAS IT?!!!!!!..................
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They recognize it as a Constitution Class for the same reason we do: that's what it resembles. Any differences it may have are presumably subtle enough not to be worth mentioning, or simply unimportant.
I've always favored leaving things as they've been, but if a Constitution showed up and it looked like Hanzhefu's, I would be very pleased with it.
Because anyone with any sense would immediately know it's because the old shows were products of their decade, and not give it another thought. I started watching the new Doctor Who in 2013, but I still knew who the Cybermen were when I went back and looked at old episodes. Likewise, the Enterprise is not going to be a radical departure from TOS. It will still 75-80% look like the TOS Enterprise. Just some tweaks to bring it up to a modern look. Something along these lines is my guess...
I've always favored leaving things as they've been, but if a Constitution showed up and it looked like Hanzhefu's, I would be very pleased with it.
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