It could. Or, it could suggest that Stamets was being dramatic, and not entirely literal - and that he probably knew what he was saying wasn't going to fly when he started saying it, anyway.
Discovery Size Argument™ thread
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
- Start date
If this is accurate, then Discovery is no more than 500m long, with most of that being the absurdly long nacelles. If you account for the perspective, it's probably closer to 400-450. Note the habitable portion of the ship is about the same as the E.
There were some good shots in last week's episode where we see the size of the "party" windows relative to people and to the exterior hull. Maybe someone can conjure those up? One can also get a good gauge from the height of the shuttle bay doors, which is just enough to squeeze a shuttle through (apparently standard Starfleet design, see Spacedock and the big-E).
Last edited:
I'm not gonna trawl for a screencap just yet, but i'm fairly sure there was a shot in ep7 that showed the middle ring that encircles the central sphere and it looked very much to have five decks, just like the rough diagram I made - three on the outer ring and 5 on the inner ring and . Yeah without perspective issues I'd go with 450m.
G
Gonzo
Guest
I would say the saucer and engineering hull could be anything from 300-400m in length, with the nacelles anywhere from 150-250m beyond that.
The Discovery feels a bit bigger than the Enterprise of TOS, maybe around the same size or a little bigger than the 1701-A, not as big as the 1701-B though.
Both the shuttlebay and the saucer appear to be too large for a vessel whose saucer and engineering sections combined are less than 300m in length.
We will find out soon enough.
Crossfield Class: (6 hullframes approved)
USS Crossfield NX 1028 (Circa 2180) (Prototype, teaser trailer style)
USS ?? NCC 1029 (Mothballed ~2200, rapid redessign work 2256)
USS Glenn NCC 1030 (2256) (Keel laid after approval of NCC 1029 refit, but stalled, completed after NCC 1031 with improvements)
USS Discovery NCC 1031 (2256) (Keel laid with NCC 1030, work prioritised by Paul Stamets, completed first)
USS ?? NCC 1032 (Maybe in production?)
USS ?? NCC 1033
That sort of thing?
Note, however, that the Constitution in this diagram isn't all the way to the edge of the frame, nor are Discovery's nacelles completely in frame. IOW, Discovery is roughly twice the length of the Constitution class, including the nacelle tips. That would out it in the 550-600 meter range. (289x2 = 578 meters).
Well, there are three rows of interior windows in the shuttle bay before the viewing gallery near the roof. So that's four decks, and then the "floor" deck of the shuttlebay makes five. So it's a five-deck shuttlebay, which would give us a height of about 12 meters with a 2.5m standard deck height.
G
Gonzo
Guest
Yeah the shuttlebay is at least 5 decks high, and those nacelles seem to go on for ever.
Isn't the crew complement under 200? If so te machines and ormushroom patches take up a lot of volume?
Or then it's just not customary to squeeze all that much people aboard, the ships being largely automated and the mental wellbeing of the crew paramount.
When Dax remarked on how packed Kirk's ship was, in "Trials and Tribble-ations", we may have taken that as an indication that this was the norm back in the day. But what Dax really remarks on is how they packed "these old ships" - perhaps the Constitutions were infamous for their admittedly unique-seeming packing density, even for their day?
Timo Saloniemi
When Dax remarked on how packed Kirk's ship was, in "Trials and Tribble-ations", we may have taken that as an indication that this was the norm back in the day. But what Dax really remarks on is how they packed "these old ships" - perhaps the Constitutions were infamous for their admittedly unique-seeming packing density, even for their day?
Timo Saloniemi
Here is another fan scaling, he is trying to make his own Discovery MSD, there are more images in this FB album showing different scales as well as his research notes.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/suricatafx/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1528104060562005
https://www.facebook.com/pg/suricatafx/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1528104060562005
Last edited:
G
Gonzo
Guest
Like the scaling here of the Discovery, must admit the Shenzou didn't look that big to me as we got a great look at the bridge from the outside and its size in comparison to the saucer during the sequence where Voq goes aboard to get the macguffin, why he waited as long as he did to do so remains a mystery.Here is another fan scaling, he is trying to make his own Discovery MSD, there are more images in this FB album showing different scales as well as his research notes.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/suricatafx/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1528104060562005
It's all down to the combination of deck count and deck height - and we get dialogue confirmation that the Shenzhou saucer is in the dozen-deck ballpark, with the brig on Deck 9 close to the bottom. Kirk's saucer was suggested to be at least 11 decks thick at the center, too ("Errand of Mercy" damage assessment), although never quite explicated, and these graphics reflect that. And the Discovery sphere should again be in the ballpark, as we can count the decks of the inner ring that is half as high as the sphere.
So the above picture shows three ships with dozen-deck saucers. But TOS showed us ceilingless corridors, while the total height of a Discovery corridor (at least in the secondary hull, although the same set obviously applies to the regular corridors and the Shenzhou) is mercilessly revealed in the shuttlebay doorway shots. Moreover, the shuttlebay shots show the outlines of multiple decks above the one actually constructed, establishing that there are no Jeffries tubes or other space between decks, just thin plating.
Basically, then, the two DSC ships could shrink by 20-30% relative to Kirk's ship on this argument alone. "Deck = 2.5 m" seems the closest match to set reality and the shuttlebay scene, although leaving precious little clearance for Saru's head; "Deck = 2.8 m" might be a working compromise. Bridge sets are outliers here, generally with much higher ceilings and that central pit in the floor to boot.
Timo Saloniemi
So the above picture shows three ships with dozen-deck saucers. But TOS showed us ceilingless corridors, while the total height of a Discovery corridor (at least in the secondary hull, although the same set obviously applies to the regular corridors and the Shenzhou) is mercilessly revealed in the shuttlebay doorway shots. Moreover, the shuttlebay shots show the outlines of multiple decks above the one actually constructed, establishing that there are no Jeffries tubes or other space between decks, just thin plating.
Basically, then, the two DSC ships could shrink by 20-30% relative to Kirk's ship on this argument alone. "Deck = 2.5 m" seems the closest match to set reality and the shuttlebay scene, although leaving precious little clearance for Saru's head; "Deck = 2.8 m" might be a working compromise. Bridge sets are outliers here, generally with much higher ceilings and that central pit in the floor to boot.
Timo Saloniemi
From the Eaglemoss Official Starships collection magazine, the USS Shenzhou is 423m and the Discovery is 750.5 meters long.
Looks like that art from ages ago was right. And this must make the Klingon sarcophagus ship Narada-sized.
Looks like that art from ages ago was right. And this must make the Klingon sarcophagus ship Narada-sized.
From the Eaglemoss Official Starships collection magazine, the USS Shenzhou is 423m and the Discovery is 750.5 meters long.
This can't possibly be correct. The spokes between the inner and outer hull have been shown to be (short) glass-ceiling corridors, and we can SEE how big they are based on Burnham and Tilly running through them. Compared to the other ships, that would make them (Tilly and Burnham) huge.
Once again, someone mixes up units and shows they don't know how long a meter is.
That corridor is a good 5 meters wide and doesn't even fill the entire width of the spoke. A structure this size wouldn't fit into a smaller vessel unless the two of them were literally shoulder to shoulder with each other and the wall.
you know, if humans suddenly stopped increasing in height and started decreasing in height (perhaps from sustained habitation of cramped spaces or overpopulation), by the 23rd century people would be about 5-6 inches shorter than they are today...
That corridor is a good 5 meters wide and doesn't even fill the entire width of the spoke. A structure this size wouldn't fit into a smaller vessel unless the two of them were literally shoulder to shoulder with each other and the wall.
Just a thought: If anyone thought the continuity of Federation starship size evolution meant more to these people than the entire look of the Klingon race or changing the Bird of Prey and D7 battlecruisers into something closer to Death Gliders and Destiny from the Stargate franchise, you needed a reality check.
It looks like the Discovery was scaled to have the saucer rim and inner saucer diameter almost exactly match that of the classic Enterprise.
Similar threads
