Discovery Size Argument™ thread

[Mytran]

There's a fairly good match on the Bridge dome / Enterprise teardrop width as well.
Ditto on the Discovery's spine approximating the width of the Ent's secondary hull

However, it would not surprise me if the saucer size was indeed the designer's starting point (as suggested by KingDaniel)

 

[Markonian]

Somebody should tell Bernd Schneider over at EAS about the sizes and see what he says.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

USS SHENZHOU: 423m
USS DISCOVERY: 750.5m

From the Eaglemoss Starships model/magazine set.

We’ve reached a point in Trek where ship sizes, scales, lineages and eras are completely meaningless.

DSC might as well show us a redesigned 1,500 meter Constitution-class USS Enterprise NCC-1701. That would be "kewl" right?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Somebody should tell Bernd Schneider over at EAS about the sizes and see what he says.

PLEASE don't. That guy has become the Prime Minister of the Butthurt Republic

 

[jaime]

We’ve reached a point in Trek where ship sizes, scales, lineages and eras are completely meaningless.

DSC might as well show us a redesigned 1,500 meter Constitution-class USS Enterprise NCC-1701. That would be "kewl" right?

I am sure it’s just drive and mushroom garden space. And the pylons are big and far away so as not to screw up the fungus. Or Stamets hair. Maybe both.

 

[Tuskin38]

We’ve reached a point in Trek where ship sizes, scales, lineages and eras are completely meaningless.

DSC might as well show us a redesigned 1,500 meter Constitution-class USS Enterprise NCC-1701. That would be "kewl" right?

Most of Disovery's length is in the nacelles, if you were to remove them it would be close to an excelsior.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Most of Disovery's length is in the nacelles, if you were to remove them it would be close to an excelsior.

Length-wise, sure, but the volume seems enormous compared to the Constitution and Excelsior class. It just doesn't make sense for a ship that big to have a crew of 200. There are enough shots of people through windows to establish a more realistic scale than what some disconnected company says is the length.

 

[Tuskin38]

There are enough shots of people through windows to establish a more realistic scale than what some disconnected company says is the length.

Eaglemoss isn't disconnected, they get all their information and material directly from CBS.

And someone already countered your window argument

PLEASE don't. That guy has become the Prime Minister of the Butthurt Republic

Too late, someone already did.

 

[The Librarian]

So, throwing some (very) rough volume calculations together, the Discovery is about six times larger than the TOS enterprise. 1,210,000 m^3 compared to 211,000 m^ for the Connie. About 200,000 of that is just nacelles. The Excelsior is about 873,000. So it's definitely big, but the Ambassdor is about twice the size and the Galaxy is around six times bigger. The top-down view makes it seem larger than it really is because of how flat the saucer and engineering hulls both are, and the exaggerated size of the nacelles. It's not unlike the Kelvin in that regard. So it's definitely a large ship, but not incredibly so. Just as another comparison, the Intrepid is about 673,000 m^3 because despite smaller absolute dimensions it is a very solid ship.

The old ship volumes are pulled from the spreadsheet by st-v-sw.net. I threw together a rough Disco model based on the earlier Eaglemoss pics.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Length-wise, sure, but the volume seems enormous compared to the Constitution and Excelsior class. It just doesn't make sense for a ship that big to have a crew of 200. There are enough shots of people through windows to establish a more realistic scale than what some disconnected company says is the length.

"Some disconnected company" with access to the original CG assets.

No authority whatsoever

 

[Tuskin38]

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[F. King Daniel]

^I don't think they understand what "exclusively" means

 

[NeoStar9]

I think we're at a point that maybe the older ships need to be resized instead of the Discovery era ships simpy being to big. I'm honesty not seeing a problem with the sizes and I've always felt if you are building ships that can travel the stars and you have the resources why are you bothering to make them small and cramped? I understand why the NX class might be seeing as they were among the first ships. I get why you'd do that for a TV show because budget, sets, etc. Even before Discovery I felt ships and stations should have been bigger and likely would be bigger then what we see on TV. This is why I never had an issue with the Kelvin films and the sizes of ships and stations there. It made sense given the size of people, crew sizes, etc.

 

[Tuskin38]

Discovery was built primarily as a science ship, I bet the Enterprise could out gun her easily.
Size isn't everything, bigger doesn't always mean better.

This is cool

 

[pst]

This is cool

really shows how silly the new klingon designs are when the old ones still hold up so well.

 

[Tuskin38]

really shows how silly the new klingon designs are when the old ones still up so well.

Eh no, they really don't. Not enough hull detail.

the K'tinga looks better.

 

[pst]

Eh no, they really don't. Not enough hull detail.

the K'tinga looks better.

i mean more shape-wise.

there’s a theory in animation that you should be able to recognize a character from silhouette alone. i think that design ethic is why ships from TOS still stand out to us. these are distinct silhouettes and work well discovery’s own distinctive but simple geometric shapes.

i don’t know what end is forward on half of these new klingon designs.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

i mean more shape-wise.

Shape wise the new designs hold up perfectly. The disconnect we're experiencing right now is that the new designs appear to be evolutions from the ships we saw in ST: Enterprise, to which they bear more than a passing resemblance. The Klingon heavy cruiser design, for example, bears a very close resemblance to the Raptor class, and the D5 we saw in "Marauders" and "Divergence" looks more like an ancestor of the Klingon destroyers than of anything we saw in the TOS years. For that matter, even the big Vorcha and Negh'Var designs bear a closer resemblance to the Discovery Klingon designs than to the K'Tinga vessels and might wind up being a hybrid of the two.

Interesting thought: suppose Discovery producers are looking to pull a massive retcon and have K'Tinga design turn out to be a ROMULAN warship that the Klingons started using?

i don’t know what end is forward on half of these new klingon designs.

Honestly? It doesn't seem that hard to me.

 

[XCV330]

Length-wise, sure, but the volume seems enormous compared to the Constitution and Excelsior class. It just doesn't make sense for a ship that big to have a crew of 200. There are enough shots of people through windows to establish a more realistic scale than what some disconnected company says is the length.

Why? If much of the room is for storage or a forrest, why do you need more crew? This isn't some 18th century manowar. If we base the needs of ship size with crew in the real world, Nock Nevis should have about 10,000 people running about on board. Doing things.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Shape wise the new designs hold up perfectly. The disconnect we're experiencing right now is that the new designs appear to be evolutions from the ships we saw in ST: Enterprise, to which they bear more than a passing resemblance. The Klingon heavy cruiser design, for example, bears a very close resemblance to the Raptor class, and the D5 we saw in "Marauders" and "Divergence" looks more like an ancestor of the Klingon destroyers than of anything we saw in the TOS years. For that matter, even the big Vorcha and Negh'Var designs bear a closer resemblance to the Discovery Klingon designs than to the K'Tinga vessels and might wind up being a hybrid of the two.

...These are the ships we’re discussing...