Thanks, had a great Christmas aside from kids lack of patience while new tech items were being set up lol
I'm not defensive about a thing
And yet, you keep justifying yourself and try to prove you don't have ulterior motives for wanting to restore the timeline
you come across as getting offended by my reply in spite of admitting it yourself that your theory is flawed.
You tend to go off on people with multiple paragraph responses when they bring up points that go against this timeline, it's science, and feel the need to defend it as it's set in stone, can't, won't, change as it defines the new ST n it's universe
Claiming people love nostalgia, bromance of the old school trio, etc. If they bring up issues of the KT or yes issues w Uhura. JT Frat Boy has a few too......
Again, never mentioned Uhura. Your argument is, honestly, pretentious and an immature reaction. So what? If you said you wanted Spock to dye his hair blond and I disagreed, would you accuse me of being defensive about Uhura just because you read me liking her in completely different discussions? That's what you did.
And that's the definition of straw man argument and trying to invalidate my point using a false premise of me not being 'believable' because biased, instead of you actually replying to the point raised and current topic of discussion.
That said, again, it makes sense for me or anyone here to like these movies and disagree with people who dislike them and their reasons shared in a public forum.
It also makes sense, I think, that those who like the thing this very board is about may not find ideas of killing this timeline that exciting...
Canon makes the 'restore the timeline' ideas already forced, I'm unsure what kind of response you expect from people who, after all, like these movies.
I honestly want a great Trek movie
Yeah, because, clearly, the fans of these movies who don't like the 'restore the timeline' idea or QT directing don't want a great Trek movie, lol.
You accuse me of going off on people with multiple paragraph when that's what
you are doing. In your case, by acting as if reboot fans should dislike these movies and find the idea of eliminating the timeline, or other 'let's go backwards to make it look like tos' ideas, exciting.
Clearly I'm the one weird and off topic here. Why would anyone defend the thing they like in a board about it.
I don't feel the prime timeline NEEDS/has to be restored. It would waste the new blank sandbox ST09 set up, if it hasn't been wasted yet. I honestly don't feel the general audience knows it's in a alt reality, just it's the org ST characters and want a good story and entertained, hopefully with a classic ST type message to it (it's 2017 so classic could refer to something from the 90s or early 2000s not just the 60s)
If you think so, then I have no idea what we are even discussing about and why you got defensive and felt attacked when I more or less expressed the same opinion. I wonder if you'd react the same way to my reply if it were written by a different user.
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No one says that they can't completely change things, or that this timeline is set in stone. Just that they shouldn't because it's a bad idea and stupid for many reasons already explained.
They could make Spock blond and remove his Vulcan traits, for example, doesn't mean it would be a good idea or has to necessarily make sense for me or others. Can =/= should or good idea.
I don't think that 30 second grab proves anything. Sounds more like they made an alternate outcome tham an extra universe.
Alternate reality means 'extra universe' tho.
And that scene isn't even the only evidence the movie provides, just the one where they explicitly call it alternate reality (since the argument was they never did)
However to me its ambiguous and not a big deal to the general viewing public (those people who don't have the Star Trek series DVDs at home) who probably think its just a modern remake of Star Trek (which is essence it is).
It isn't ambiguous. I know people who aren't trek fans and they got it just fine, it isn't that complex as a thing, nor new as concept to Hollywood at large.
And yes, the general audience probably doesn't care and only saw a remake, but it actually is one more reason why restoring the timeline storylines would only alienate most of the audience and confuse them. It's unnecessary and derailing because to most, there is nothing to restore.
With a single line in any new movie they could "restore" the timeline if they wanted to.
Eg. "Captain, you do realise that if our actions are successful we will restore the timeline as it should be and neither the Kelvin crew or Vulcan will be destroyed"
or
"Spock, dude, we fix this and neither my Dad or your Mum dies"
Except, there is no 'as it should be' here. The characters wouldn't feel like that. This is the point some fail to comprehend and yet, it's fundamental.
The concept is relative with alternate/parallel realities. How would you feel if someone proposed a movie set in the prime timeline where the characters thought they had to change their story to fit the kelvin timeline more? It's the same thing.
Who establishes that tos is the default reality and how it was meant to be? From a different perspective, you could say that it's tos that didn't go like it was supposed to be. The characters of this reality
could think that!
Point is, for the characters of this trek their reality is as real as that of the prime timeline characters, and their experiences and choices are now their 'destiny'. They might want the possibility to change some things like not losing a parent etc etc, but it doesn't mean they'd see their tos counterparts as how they are meant to be too.
To them, it's the other version that is different compared to them, not the other way around. Subtle but important.
Tos too is a parallel and alternate reality to this, and there could be tons of different realities. Again, if this crew went back in time of their reality and changed some things, they'd just access to yet another alternate reality, but theirs would still exist! Just like Tos still exists right now in spite of this other reality!
There is
nothing to restore. Nothing. If you think so, then you believe that tos ceased to exist after this reality was showed but it is untrue because tos still exists, and if it still exists, there is nothing to restore.
What you guys call restoring pretty much is just creating another reality that is more similar to the tos one. It is the illusion of turning the kelvin trek into tos because some want yet more movies about tos, and possibly don't care about this version of the characters and their own journey enough to want to preserve it TOO.
Most of the audience doesn't feel that need though. Neither do trek fans who love this version of the characters too, nor the part of the audience for whom there is nothing to restore anyway (this reality might be their one and only trek too )
