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Spoilers Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Grading & Discussion

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{ Emilia } said:
And I was so convinced seeing Luke's old X-Wing underwater was foreshadowing him lifting that up and flying away. What a letdown. :p
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It's not a "letdown"; its a subversion of expectation.

Luke actually showing up at Crait physically would have been the predictable thing to do, but instead Rian has him carry out a predictable and expected function - getting involved in the fight against the First Order - in an unpredictable and unexpected fashion.
 
Iamnotspock said:
Oh yes, that's possible too. I noticed the wet hands and Luke kissing Leia's forehead but I assumed that Jedi can chose whether their Force-projections are corporeal or not.
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The connection between Kylo Ren and Rey was established as being mediated by Snoke, i.e. neither had the power to maintain it. Luke, on the other hand, proved to be much more powerful than Snoke.

I doubt Kylo's lightsaber did any more damage than the one minute long blaster barrage from 8 AT-ATs (or whatever they're called in this film). Luke was just exhausted, saved the Resistance, and ultimately found peace with the Force (and himself).

It was kind of neat (though mildly cheesy) that his journey ended the same way it began -- by watching a binary sun set.

Luke does have that Obi-Wan-esque line, "Strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you."
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I thought that had the makings of a great sitcom.
 
Snoke initiated the Force connection between Rey and Kylo, but it lasted beyond his death, with Rey "closing the door" on it - literally - when she shut the Falcon's hatch in the film's penultimate scene.
 
One of the articles on IGN was talking about Luke having a vision of twin suns, but I had just assumed that the planet just had two suns. So which was it?
 
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JD said:
Ok, either way it's still a great final moment for Luke.
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I don't think so. I thought it was lame. I had hoped that Rian Johnson would bring something new to the table, considering his reputation with "Looper". But when he did for this film, it seemed tainted by bad or lazy writing.

I find it interesting that most of the members for this message board seemed to follow the opinions of the critics, regardless of whether the majority of the moviegoers agree with them or not.
 
Tsothohrha said:
Arguably this movie ends on a much more hopeful note than ESB (the beginning of a new rebellion). It was still impressive to see how often and how spectacularly our heroes fail.
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I might disagree, respectfully; the heroes took some major hits in ESB, but the script was written well enough that you had a bit of hope at the end and some great sequel hooks. In TLJ, the Resistance seems to have fallen way too far for no other reason than the script needing it, and even then one could argue they didn't handle some of those elements well.

Ithekro said:
The heroes failed because none of them are experienced really. They think they have a good idea and ran with it against orders. It might have been a good plan, if they had the people to pull it off. but they didn't anymore. Finn knows nothing of the outside galaxy. Rose is there to give us a perspective of someone who actually has been in the galaxy her whole life rather than isolated from it like Finn and Rey. Poe is shown to be a hotheaded pilot like one would expect. The admiral doesn't tell him her plans because he will not understand them, and he doesn't when he finds out about them. If told about the sensor cloak, I imagine Poe would have suggested sending a team over to the Mega-class Star Destroyer to blow it up, even though the First Order can see the transports visually. Also I imagine they has thought there was a leak on the ship, a spy or audio tracker, since the First Order did something that was suppose to be impossible, track them through hyperspace (though Darth Vader did that with Leia between Rogue One and A New Hope). The difference was that they basically did it immediately, meaning there was nowhere for the Resistance to run and if they did, their allied at the other end would be killed by the First Order's fleet.
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I disagree, as I don't think Poe is stupid even though he's clearly got a reckless streak. He's a capable pilot in the right circumstances, and he made the mistake in the opening battle because he ignored Leia's order to break off. He wanted to score a major victory by taking out the dreadnought, but it was the wrong strategy at the wrong time. I don't mind if Holdo and Poe don't like each other on a professional level, but the script doesn't go into enough detail to establish that. Holdo isn't given enough to work with so that she seems more capable as a commander, and it would have only taken a few lines of dialogue to fix that problem.

Poe doesn't understand her plans because he's not given the right context, and presumably his fellow pilots weren't either since they sided with him. If the Resistance is so low on resources and presumably can't fit fighters with cloaks as escorts (I assume they didn't have that many, and that would have drawn more attention anyway), then logically you'd want the fighter pilots helping to fly those transports. Put them where they're most useful, and even use Poe. Give him the right information and trust him to help.

It's the same sort of lazy writing that shows up on the casino mission. Why did Finn and Rose just leave their ship on the beach instead of landing in a hangar, so the police wouldn't bother them? Why didn't the police impound the ship, instead of leaving it on the beach (apparently only so it could be blown up in the chase scene)? I realize time was of the essence, but these are basic things. :p
 
LJones41 said:
I find it interesting that most of the members for this message board seemed to follow the opinions of the critics, regardless of whether the majority of the moviegoers agree with them or not.
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Also the majority of the moviegoers don't post their opinions on RT or any other grading website. Last time I checked a majority is 51% or more (well technically 50.01%) and even on RT it's above that score.
 
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DigificWriter said:
The Jedi are a religious sect; saying that "the Jedi are Star Wars" is like saying that "the Catholic Church is America"; to paraphrase Luke, "every word in that sentence is wrong", and there's been a concerted effort to move the franchise - and fandom perception - beyond the narrow-minded view that only the Jedi and the Sith represent and can access the Force.
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I don’t think the Jedi and their views own the force. What I meant is that the Jedi have been such an integral part of the Star Wars universe it would be jarring to see them completely gone. And by make irrelevant, what I meant is this; the whole arc of the six movies was revolves around the downfall of the Jedi and Republic, and Luke’s efforts to bring a return of the Jedi to the galaxy, as well as peace and stability I’m sure. If the Jedi are done away with, from pure story terms, what did Luke fight for? What was the point of the six movies? If it was all to be just cast away in one swift creative decision? Thankfully they did not go that route and the Jedi are back, but I think it was made fairly obvious they would need to make changes to at least some of their ways to avoid the tragedies of the past.
 
DigificWriter said:
Bryan Young of the Full of Sith Podcast pointed this out, but there's been an Easter Egg for The Last Jedi - specifically the Resistance vs First Order plotline - just "sitting out there in the ether" for a year.

In Rogue One, when Jynn, Cassian, and K2SO are on Scarif hunting for the Death Star schematic data, Jynn skims over a data screen and reads off the words "hyperspace tracking" (emphasis mine). In TLJ, what does the First Order have tech capable of doing? Hyperspace tracking.
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But was never a thing in the original movies or Episode VII.
 
So the dice in the falcon in ANH and TFA were normal dice with dots, but the dice in TLJ had symbols on them.
 
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