Agents of SHIELD season 5

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  1. Forbin

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    Anybody else notice that in an episode that mentions the multiverse theory, the location they were looking for on the debris of Earth was "616"?
     
  2. Mr. Adventure

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    ^ I think we're all probably too big of nerds not to have noticed :)
     
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  3. Reverend

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    It could easily just be a reference, but part of me wonders if the radio transmission has something to do with Fitz. Choosing an object with the same numerical designation as the old Bus (or maybe even choosing the label in the first place) as a relay point for a message is a hell of a good way to let them know the source is a friend. Still probably just a reference though.

    Random thought: what if the source of the signal is Zephyr One?
     
  4. auntiehill

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    ^ Yeah, I'm thinking it's Fitz. They wouldn't have mentioned him so many times in the previous episodes for him NOT to somehow turn up in this universe/timeline or be shown in some fashion. It will probably be Fitz who saves the day in this storyline so he can feel redeemed after what happened in the Framework.
     
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  6. Reverend

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    ^That may not be far off the mark. We still don't know if they're from the future too or even why they sent the team forward at all.
     
  7. RJDiogenes

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    Well, I'm pretty convinced that the writers and producers of SHIELD have negative net knowledge of physics. Luckily, I don't watch SHIELD for realism. :rommie:

    Okay, so it looks like Kasius is running a petty fiefdom after all, rather than being an agent of the Kree government. And it looks like his major export is not ore, but Inhuman slaves. Simmons thought she was helping that young girl survive, and she was, but she survived to be sold at a high price-- which made her happy, because it meant her family would be well cared for.

    Meanwhile, Coulson and the others are acclimating to the future and trying to figure out what they were brought there for and how to accomplish something-- it really would have been nice if their kidnappers had at least left them a note, or a self-destructing reel-to-reel tape, or something. But they do seem to be close to finding Deke's contact, who appears to be living on the devastated surface of the crescent Earth. Where conditions are bad, but there is enough atmosphere for humans to live, at least for a while. Yeah, no knowledge of physics whatsoever.

    I foresee conflict between Mack and YoYo, after his speech about SHIELD's high moral standards, followed by YoYo framing the guy that he saved.
     
  8. Alidar Jarok

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    Just to be clear, she believes her family would be well-cared for. We don't actually know that.
     
  9. CorporalCaptain

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    I'm afraid the show has jumped the shark. I'll probably keep watching till the end, though.
     
  10. Reverend

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    I think it's reasonable to assume this may actually be the case, at least for whatever passes for "well-cared for" in that environment. You'd think if such promises weren't kept then word would get around that the Kree's promises are bullshit. In which case then the girl would certainly know about this and be rather less convinced and by extension, less cooperative.

    What's an extra food ration a day for or exemption from renewals for one family to the Kree overlords? Indeed, aside from extracting the cooperation of the terragen-positives, it also serves to make sure genetic lines that carry the gene continue on, hopefully to produce more candidates later on. Small price to pay for a long term investment.
     
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  11. gblews

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    No doubt you're right about the signal being from Leopold. Likely we're gonna get a whole lotta Fitzy in the next two episodes or so. Yes, and I loved that the matter of fact way they had Daisy let us know just how tired the trope was. Loving the relaxed and easy humor this season.
    Maybe they're just saving their money for later in the season in order to go out with a bang.

    Kudos to whoever Abby's stunt double was, and to the stunt coordinator. That "fight" between her and the goon was great. Seems like great stunt work has been a hallmark of Whedon shows and in this regard, AoS is following in Buffy and Angel's footsteps.

    I was really glad to hear the multiverse explanation for the fact that the dystopian Earth timeline still existed even though Daisy had been pulled out of the timeline prior to causing the disaster that spawned the dystopian timeline. Although even the multiverse explanation leaves some questions, there's not as many as there would be if they were going with a straight linear timeline explanation.
     
  12. CorporalCaptain

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    Say what? How do we know that Daisy won't be put back before she does whatever she did and has to make some critical choice? For all we know, things are still completely on track to destroy the Earth. She's just denying she did it, because she hasn't faced that situation yet. I really can't believe that our Daisy will never have to face the circumstances in which Quake destroyed the Earth in this timeline and set things aright herself, perhaps with some help from Fitz to do it better the second time around after they are all put back.
     
  13. RJDiogenes

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    True, but I was assuming, like Reverend says, that there has been some precedent for believing it. Unless the families of the chosen ones are taken away and everyone is just told that they are in a better zone or something.
     
  14. Reverend

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    The only logical reason I can think of why they would remove those families, is if they're doing some creepy selective breeding program to maximise the chances of producing more terragen-positives. But if that were the case, why have that separate when it's seems evident that the whole operation is already geared around that goal? Seems redundant.

    Besides, like I said before; "well taken care of" is a relative concept. If you grow up in a place that makes a concentration camp look like an appealing holiday destination, a room to yourself and an extra ration a week might seem like living the high life by comparison.
     
  15. Greg Cox

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    Hard to say. It might still be a government posting, but an obscure backwater one that Kasius is milking as much as he can. Certainly, Lady What's-Her-Name missed no opportunity to remind him what a remote, dismal little rock he was ruling over . . ..
     
  16. RJDiogenes

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    Exactly. It's not in their best interests to disappear people, which would only raise suspicion no matter what stories were told. It's better for controlling people to let them see what privileges can be theirs if they cooperate. And selective breeding can be accomplished just as easily through arranged marriages with other "elites."

    That's true. I don't think we know what kind of government the Kree have. Kasius may be somebody's nephew or something.
     
  17. Christopher

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    I'm guessing either a monar-Kree or an oligar-Kree.
     
  18. Reverend

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    If nothing else, he's certainly insecure about his status. From the line about his clothes being in fashion on Hala to Basha snubbing his dinner invitation. I don't know what species the red-eyed people are but if they're Imperial subjects then one can imagine it would be especially galling for Kasius to have to kowtow to any non-Kree official.

    Well it's an empire, certainly and I think there's been some mention of an Emperor somewhere along the way, though I don't recall where (GotG maybe?) IIRC in the comics the Emperor is an artificial intelligence the Kree created to rule them eons ago.
     
  19. kitik

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    I just assumed they were pale-skinned Kree.

    And yeah, the physics of the earth-remnant is something not even worth thinking about. Suffice it to say, this ain't The Expanse.
     
  20. Reverend

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    Is that a thing? For some reason I was under the impression that they're all blue skinned.