Spoilers DC TV Arrow/Flash Universe Crossover Discussion

Possibly...On the other hand, it seems pretty intentional given the (likely time-traveler) reminding Barry to remember to say "I do."

 

Something like that seems fully entrenched in the series as a whole that I hope them saying I do wasn’t left on the cutting room floor.

 

If they needed to cut something out they could have done without one of like five times Thawne menacingly threatens to cut into Supergirl ("I'm going to weaken you", "you are weakening", "you are ready", "curses, the fusebox!", "you are ready, again", "drat, foiled by the miniature man!" )

(Actually, now that I written out all the steps, they should have definitely kept all that in )

 

The idea that she made Barry and Iris' improvised ceremony "all about her". Christopher already explained pretty succinctly why said notion is bunk, so I refer you to this post.

 

Editing isn't just about the total running time, it's about the flow and pacing of each individual scene.

 

If that had happened at my wedding, “John” would still be looking for the rest of his teeth.

 

Did I miss it or are we still in the dark about just who the woman with the drinks in the church was?

Also was this first live action appearance for Red Tornado (perhaps in this case it should be been Red Torpedo).

 

Yeah, we're still in the dark. I'm assuming time traveler and probably one of Barry's descendents. Another poster suggested Legion (from the 31st century).

 

I would agree if the two couples had "arranged" an impromptu double wedding at the end. That is what I had expected.

Instead, Felicity interrupted Barry and Iris' exchange of vows, because she suddenly decided that she finally had the nerve to marry Oliver. It was rude.

 

Yeah, agree that it was kinda shitty. Right way to do that, without changing much, is to wait until they finish and then just say "wanna do us next?"

No reason to force one to stop to wedge yourself in, wait 30 seconds.

 

Sure, but if you ever watched Arrow, is Felicity the one to NOT awkwardly blurt out whatever pops into her mind at that moment?

It's basically her thing. She can't help it, and her intentions are never cruel. Context goes a long way with these things often enough.

 

I have a colleague from work who only watches Flash so I gave her the heads up about the crossover. She said she was grateful because she got to see them get married and then I waited for it and she added "until Felicity butted in" or something to that effect.

Some on io9 suggested it might be XS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XS_(comics)
I don't know DC comics so don't kill the messenger on that one.

Not the first appearance of Red Tornado (from Supergirl) but he looks much better this time around.

 

Felicity pretty blatantly broke the golden rule of weddings.

There really is nothing to argue there.

 

I agree that people entirely glossing over Barry kidnapping Diggle but sobbing over Felicity joining in the merriment, where their are literally no other spectators around, have some weird prioritization of concern. Myself, I was just wondering if they were going to step more than five feet away from Digg's vomit. Couldn't Barry have at least pick him up a ginger ale? Can't say as I feel badly for Barry's/Iris' big moment being interrupted when they don't even give their officiant a beverage and some breath mints. If I ever get married, I hope no one in attendance, officiant or otherwise, will be watching with a throat full of puke.

 

...which misses the point of why the wedding should have been isolated to Barry and Iris, as they are the DC-TV universe's fairytale couple. It was one thing to have the church ceremony interrupted by the antagonists of the crossover, but after the dust settled in part 4, Barry and Iris should have been the "overcoming" moment, where nothing else would get in the way of the long-awaited union. Oliver/Felicity cheapened the moment with its piggybacking of their issues, which--in the end--felt unnatural to the main story centering on the marriage of Barry and Iris.

Come on--ever consider that this one issue happens to be about this one issue, and not some longstanding judgement about Felicity or her relationship?

Agreed. It was intrusive and self-centered--particularly when everyone knew how important this wedding was to Barry and Iris. This was a "dream come true" moment, and anyone really understanding that would not interrupt, no matter what they were feeling, but the showrunners seem to think that behavior is something fans want to see/encourage.

Yep.

 

While Felicity's outburst may have been a breach of wedding protocol, she was among friends, and Barry and Iris are forgiving sorts. I just rewatched the whole 4-parter straight through this afternoon, and the moment Felicity walked out after her embarrassing outburst at the reception, the camera focused on Iris in the foreground (with Oliver behind her) reacting with concern. There was a strong Felicity-Iris arc developed throughout the 4-parter, and it established that Iris was hopeful that Felicity could have with Ollie what she was about to have with Barry. And Barry wanted the same thing for Ollie. So neither of them was going to be mad that Felicity stepped on their moment. And as Diggle said, he'd been trying to keep those two together for years. So while her outburst may have been a bit rude, nobody there was going to have a problem with it, given who they are and what they all feel for each other. Family forgives.

Anyway, the proposal/rejection scene between Oliver and Felicity at the reception was hilariously written and magnificently played by Amell. Really good stuff there. There were lots of well-written character moments and terrific bits of acting throughout, even though the story didn't make a lick of sense.

For instance: Oliver's plan to impersonate the returned Fuhrer to get into the breach facility shouldn't have worked -- because the only way for the Fuhrer to return was through the breach generator, inside the facility. So Lance should've immediately known he was an impostor. Okay, he did get suspicious before long, but Ollie shouldn't even have gotten in the door.

Also, Stein was shot because he said that splitting up with Jax to do two different things at once was a more efficient strategy than trying to do one at a time. But it actually would've taken a lot less time for them to do both as Firestorm than it did for them to do it separately, having to hide from the gunfire.

It was also weird that they went from referring to "their Supergirl" or "Supergirl-X" in the second and third parts to "Overgirl" in the fourth. When did they hear her addressed as Overgirl? Or was that an offscreen Cisco coinage? Another odd change is that when Thawne was trying to operate on Kara, he went from using an electric circular saw thingy in Part 3 to a scalpel in Part 4. But the scalpel seemed to be part of a futuristic surgical kit; perhaps he switched to it so that there wouldn't be a risk of another power failure.

Meanwhile, I kept track this time, and I'm pretty sure Wild Dog had the fewest lines of any Earth-1 series regular in the crossover, and I don't think he said anything until Part 4. Black Canary had the second-smallest amount of dialogue.

On the plus side, Part 3 worked better for me on the full watch-through. I guess the pacing worked better in the middle of the whole continuous thing, without the break in momentum from waiting another day. And Paul Blackthorne clearly enjoyed chewing the scenery as an evil Nazi. It still feels like they cut some lines of exposition about the Ray's origin, though.


By the way, I had a thought. If Overgirl works for the Nazis, why do they have Metallo? The only reason to build a robot guy who can shoot kryptonite beams is to fight a Kryptonian. So maybe there isn't an Overman to go along with Overgirl. Maybe the Superman of Earth-X was a hero, and Metallo killed him.

 

Such a fight (between the Nazis and Superman) would fit my theory that Overgirl purposely powered up with the sun in order to take down her cousin.

 

Ooh, I would love to be able to write a novelization of "Crisis on Earth-X" and add scenes to fill in all this background.

Then again, maybe Freedom Fighters: The Ray will explain some of it.

 

Cross-posting: CW Seed has tweeted that Freedom Fighters: The Ray debuts this coming Friday, December 8:

https://twitter.com/cwseed/status/936641064722612225

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Fighters:_The_Ray

Reportedly, in addition to Russell Tovey as the Ray, Stephen Amell as Dark Arrow, and Melissa Benoist as Overgirl, we'll be hearing Grant Gustin as Dark Flash, plus guest appearances by Vibe, Mr. Terrific, and Vixen, though it's unclear whether it's their Earth-X doppelgangers or not. The released clip from FF:TR is clearly set before "Crisis on Earth-X," but maybe the series does a time jump. There's no indication of whether Wentworth Miller will appear as Citizen Cold/Leo Snart.

 

Dark Flash? I wonder if Thawne killed him before Crisis, or he was just somewhere else during the events.