Spoilers DC TV Arrow/Flash Universe Crossover Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Timelord Victorious, Feb 20, 2016.

  1. Turtletrekker

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    If they had set up the attack on Earth 38, they would have to deal with both Supergirl and Superman.
     
  2. Christopher

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    That's the thing, though. Earth-38 has Superman, Supergirl, and Martian Manhunter, but Earth-1 has a whole mess of heroes. So it's hard to say which one is riskier to attack.

    By the way, I just found out from the Arrowverse Wiki that the voice of the Wellenreiter's (evil Waverider's) AI was Susanna Thompson, i.e. Moira Queen. So I guess Fuhrer Oliver programmed his ship's AI with his own mother's voice.
     
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    There are far better, less hostile, and more effective ways to make your point. This has warned you a warning for trolling. Comments to PM
     
  4. UssGlenn

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    What I'm saying is that after the initial attack they would no longer be able to take the heroes on individually because all the heroes would know the nazis are there and thus team up.
     
  5. Christopher

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    ^And what I'm saying is that there are advantages and risks to both options. I'm not picking a fight, I'm just considering all the angles.
     
  6. TREK_GOD_1

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    As far as Supergirl is concerned, "Midvale" was the best of that series' season, with characters given some chance to be more than "flavor" as in this weak, rushed, drama-free crossover.
     
  7. DigificWriter

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    I tuned into the DCTV Podcast Network to hear the hosts of its Arrow, Supergirl, Flash, and Legends shows talk about and discuss the crossover, and everything was going great until it turned into a nonsensical whine-fest about how the shows shouldn't have used an actual comic book storyline involving Nazis as the basis for the crossover and how Oliver and Felicity "stole Barry and Iris' thunder", which turned me off so much that I turned off the podcast.

    I get that people are entitled to feel however they want, but when opinions "cross the line" into ridiculousness, it's a bit hard to take anything that's being said seriously.
     
  8. USS Firefly

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    The fight scènes weren't good, but my wife and I loved the crossovers.
    And I liked the suit of evil supergirl, except for the SS
     
  9. dahj

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    Well, they did.
    That was definitely one of those tone-deaf, self-centered, "me me me" moments that they have an unfortunate habit of writing for Felicity. Barry and Iris are getting married, they've exchanged beautiful vows and are about to say "I do". This is the time when you're supposed to think "that's nice for them", and if you are thinking "I want that for myself" you should really use your inside voice and express that vocally later...
     
  10. Kirk Prime

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    We know Bruce Wayne exists. We don't know if Batman does--yet. It has been strongly implied Batman is operating on Earth 38 though. By the way, Superman was invented in 1938--maybe that's why Supergirl's Earth is 38.

    Anyway, let's say Batman exists on Earth 1. Does Superman? I would LOVE to see that, but if Superman hasn't debuted yet on Earth 1, then even if Batman exists on Earth 1, why would he have Kryptonite?
     
  11. Icemizer

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    Felicity has no inside voice, she is not a nice person. Its always about what she wants. She named the company, she ran off on a mission on her own, she wanted to be married, then not and then did again. She is very much like her mother and although much smarter has all the same self centered traits. Its really why she does not like when her mother is around because then everyone pays attention to her and not poor Felicity.
     
  12. Christopher

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    I thought the double wedding was kind of a sweet bonding moment. I mean, these two couples aren't strangers to each other. Oliver and Barry are best friends, and Felicity and Iris just spent three episodes bonding in the face of danger and growing closer as a result. So I don't see it as Felicity being selfish, I see it as Felicity and Oliver wanting to share this special moment with their good friends and comrades in danger. Sure, it was spur-of-the-moment, but no more so than Iris's "let's get married this instant" impulse two minutes earlier, or Barry's literal kidnapping of Diggle to be their officiant (dude, you couldn't have texted him to ask permission first?). That's just how these guys roll.

    Besides, it's a trope that's been used in fiction before, going back centuries -- there's at least one or two Shakespeare comedies that end up with the main couple deciding to get married and the supporting couples chiming in "Hey, let's get hitched too!" It's not stealing their thunder, it's just dramatic shorthand to wrap everything up in one big bow. Many things that would be rude in real life are taken in stride by fictional characters for the sake of dramatic shorthand -- e.g. wacky neighbors barging into your home without knocking, or people hanging up the phone without saying "goodbye."
     
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  13. TREK_GOD_1

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    The podcast had a valid point because the Barry/Iris relationship has been THE relationship jewel of all DC-TV series, so the wedding was the culmination of fan interest, and in-series building. Oliver begging a self centered Felicity for her hand in marriage, only to come around in the last second was anti-climatic, and intrusive on what should have been a tender moment.

    Couldn't have that, because the direction of Berlanti series is to have certain characters be self-centered and rude, and that's supposed to be (among other things) endearing. Judging from responses here and around social media, it was not.
     
  14. DigificWriter

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    Not really, for the reasons outlined by Christopher.

    The only reason this is even causing a fuss is because there's a segment of fandom that is irrationally prejudiced against Felicity and the "Olicity" relationship, and it's disappointing and frustrating when people I generally agree with let the conversation devolve into something driven purely by irrational and partisan character/'ship' hate.
     
  15. tomalak301

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    You can have a bonding and supportive moment by just being there. What Felicity did was make the wedding all about her and I did think that was rude. You have a great moment with Barry and Iris and instead of being quiet and smiling, Felicity a had to insert herself where she should have been more supportive. Coupled that with her attitude at the reception in Supergirl and I lost a lot of respect for her.
     
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  16. DigificWriter

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    This is bunk.
     
  17. tomalak301

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    Well she did interrupt before Iris and Barry even said I Do so I don’t know which part you think is Bunk.
     
  18. Snaploud

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    The Felicity "let's get married too" moment made me think of a much worse incident that I read about in an advice column:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/...boyfriend_keeps_naked_photos_of_his_exes.html

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanschock...n-the-craziest?utm_term=.xiNrrLem7#.qbZ22b0j5
     
  19. Romulan_spy

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    Felicity should have just waited another minute or two for Barry and iris to say "I do" and kiss and then asked Diggle to marry her and Oliver. Interrupting Barry and Iris before they said "I do" was very rude.
     
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  20. Christopher

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    I wonder if Barry & Iris's "I do"s were a casualty of editing. Honestly, the last half of "Crisis" felt like it needed to be at least half an episode longer in order to do justice to everything in it.