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Warner bros announce superhero films through 2020

Captaindemotion said:
The WSJ has a subscribers-only article on Justice League and the WB superhero slate in general:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/offbeat-super-heroes-take-on-batman-wonder-woman-1509997635

As I assume most of us aren’t subscribers, here’s a potted summary of it:

https://batman-news.com/2017/11/06/...e-under-two-hours-plus-more-interesting-info/

One thing I note is that the studio demanded that JL be under 2 hours. Guess they can’t help interfering...
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Wow, it just gets worse and worse doesn't it??
 
The BOF is not negative, as far as I can see but I haven’t read the whole WSJ one.

I was surprised (or possibly not) that the studios set a limit on the running time, but I don’t know that this is necessarily a bad thing. Obviously if this results in a film like the recent Fantastic Four, with obvious plot holes, deleted plot points, scenes that make no sense, that’s not gonna be good. But it’s quite possible to tell this story in that time.
 
Early footage from Flashpoint:
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According to Wikipedia, "JUSTICE LEAGUE" is roughly two hours long. You know, I had been looking forward to really enjoying both this movie and "THOR: RAGNAROK". I've already been somewhat disappointed with the Thor film. And now I fear that I'll feel the same about "JUSTICE LEAGUE". I hope not.
 
How ‘Justice League’ Became a ‘Frankenstein’ (Exclusive)
Snyder appears to have enjoyed as much freedom in his vision of the DC Universe as Nolan had enjoyed with his Batman films. He answered to Greg Silverman, the Warner Bros. executive who guided hits like “The Dark Knight,” “The Hangover” and “300.” In 2013, Silverman was named Warner Bros. president, reporting directly to Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara.

An individual with deep knowledge of the studio said Silverman didn’t read offer notes on Snyder’s scripts. Another described Silverman’s attitude as “remarkably laissez faire.”
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“After the disappointment of “Batman v Superman,” the individual with deep knowledge of Warner Bros. said studio executives repeatedly went to Silverman to suggest removing Snyder from “Justice League.” The individual said DC President Jon Berg was sent to the set for the better part of a year to oversee the production out of budget concerns.

The insider said Silverman was “quite harsh on Zack” when “Batman v Superman” underwhelmed audiences. But he didn’t fire him: Removing a director is a major distraction on any film, and it would be a sign of serious trouble on a tentpole designed to support a larger universe.
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Scheduling was intense: “Superman” actor Henry Cavill, on loan from shooting “Mission: Impossible 6” for Paramount, was not allowed to shave a mustache he had grown for that film, so “Justice League” was forced to remove it digitally. Fans would later complain that his face looked weird.

One executive told TheWrap Tsujihara and Emmerich “wanted to preserve their bonuses they would be paid before the merger,” and were worried that “if they pushed the movie, then their bonuses would have been pushed to the following year and they might not still be at the studio.”
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So WB was basically stuck trying to clean up the mess that BvS caused, stuck with a director they had lost confidence in, and stuck with the release date even though they knew it probably would have been a better idea to push back.

I'd say that a big problem was that WB was way too reactionary. We got BvS because MoS didn't make enough money, we got SS edited by a trailer company because BvS was too dark, everything that could have gone wrong for JL did go wrong. Only Wonder Woman seemed to have been lucky enough to escape any devastating studio interference.
 
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Dream said:
How ‘Justice League’ Became a ‘Frankenstein’ (Exclusive)

So WB was basically stuck trying to clean up the mess that BvS caused, stuck with a director they had lost confidence in, and stuck with the release date even though they knew it probably would have been a better idea to push back.

I'd say that a big problem was that WB was way too reactionary. We got BvS because MoS didn't make enough money, we got SS edited by a trailer company because BvS was too dark, everything that could have gone wrong for JL did go wrong. Only Wonder Woman seemed to have been lucky enough to escape any devastating studio interference.
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To be fair, not everything that could of gone wrong with JL did. As flawed as it is, its still better then Snyder's unadulterated vision would have been, meaning it was watchable and ok. That's not good overall since a JL movie should have been more then watchable, but I'd say its about as good as Thor: TDW, which still makes it the second best DCEU movie (although that still puts it far behind WW) and far better then MoS and BvS (and a bit better then SS, which I liked in a "so bad its entertaining" way but was definitely not a objectively "good" movie and was a horrible adaptation)..
 
Captaindemotion said:
The WSJ has a subscribers-only article on Justice League and the WB superhero slate in general:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/offbeat-super-heroes-take-on-batman-wonder-woman-1509997635

As I assume most of us aren’t subscribers, here’s a potted summary of it:

https://batman-news.com/2017/11/06/...e-under-two-hours-plus-more-interesting-info/

One thing I note is that the studio demanded that JL be under 2 hours. Guess they can’t help interfering...
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My favorite part..

2018 will be a “reset year”, with a focus on more director driven visions for individual superhero movies, rather than the pressure of making things fit into one big story over the course of several movies.
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I like that the movies will stand on their own and have their own vision. I HATE movies that are more of setting things up for the next one rather than being enjoyable on its own.
 
ichab said:
My favorite part..



I like that the movies will stand on their own and have their own vision. I HATE movies that are more of setting things up for the next one rather than being enjoyable on its own.
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Yeah, for my money Iron Man 2 is an example of a film that spent too much time setting up a bigger universe than on its own merits, though that was but one of its flaws. The Amazing Spider-Man films were particularly bad offenders, constantly seeming to nod to secrets or Easter eggs for the next film (or a film which never came).

Some films manage to get the balance right though - Empire Strikes Back and The Two Towers are obviously ‘bridging’ films which don’t finish the whole story but are massively enjoyable films in their own rights.
 
dodge said:
The Wrap article claims the execs pushed Justice League out instead of delaying it to get their bonuses before the merger.

I sure hope those bonuses are tied into the performance of the movie. :devil:
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WB have botched the DCEU from very start...

* Not deciding to officially greenlight the DCEU until after MoS was released.

* Rush right into BvS and interfere into the cut of that movie.

* Have no clear plans for the structure of the DCEU by constantly changing the lineup of movies.

* Suicide Squad behind the scenes was a mess and had misleading marketing about the extent of Joker's involvement.

* Attempt to cut out the No Man's Land scene from Wonder Woman.

* Losing directors for Flash & The Batman.

* Do a JL movie without any origin movies for Aquaman, Flash & Cyborg.

* Force Justice League to be under 2 hours (including credits so really under 1:50) despite the need to show some origins for Aquaman (loss most of his scenes it would seem), Flash, Cyborg, Mother Boxes, Steppenwolf and lay out the return for Superman.

* Costly reshoots (and music re-score) with a different director and attempt to mash together two different versions of one film.

* Release the film that clearly just from Superman's weird face wasn't ready from a techincal standpoint and after Thor (should of been before)

Have I missed anything?

I say this as someone who loves MoS, Likes Wonder Woman & BvS and while mixed was fairly more positive than negative about JL.
 
Jax said:
Costly reshoots (and music re-score) with a different director and attempt to mash together two different versions of one film.
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Well, that one was unavoidable, since Snyder had to withdraw for personal reasons. Reshoots are a normal part of big-budget filmmaking these days, and the loss of their director required bringing in someone else.
 
Christopher said:
Well, that one was unavoidable, since Snyder had to withdraw for personal reasons. Reshoots are a normal part of big-budget filmmaking these days, and the loss of their director required bringing in someone else.
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True. There was no need to bring in Elfman, though. The score was the most disappointing thing about the film to me.
 
Personally I thought that Elfman beat all the DCEU composers easily, by at least being memorable. The only good DCEU composition before Elfman is the WW theme, besides that its all the same bland noise that DC has been doing since the Nolan series. Elfman's on JL wasn't iconic like his Batman work, but it was decent and really his few uses of bits of his Batman work were some of the best musical moments, to me, in the DCEU.
 
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