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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x09 - "Into the Forest I Go"

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She didn't know that L'Rell was a prisoner. For all she knew, L'Rell was a guard or something. She should have been perceived as a threat. And you neutralize a threat - not leave them stunned so they can wake up and raise the alarm.

They're at war with the Klingons, not playing pattycake.

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In war, on an enemy ship, they damned well should be. Or just kill themselves because that attitude is a death sentence.
I'm going to be the one to point out that, in terms of effectiveness, the stun setting is actually ideal in this kind of situation. For one thing, there's the strong possibility that the Klingon ship has sensors such that firing on a higher setting will set off a security alarm or something (see "Undiscovered Country"). This occurred to me last night when I noticed an alarm sounded in the background (for a few seconds) ONLY once the Klingons actually fired back, and yet when Burnham uses her phaser on the bridge, there's no alarm, just one really startled Klingon who yells "intruder alert!"

But beyond that, there's the fact that the stun setting can mission-kill a Klingon from even a glancing blow. The higher disruptor setting requires prolonged contact with the phaser beam to vaporize them while a short pulse will only blast a chunk out of whatever part of them you hit. Between Klingon armor and redundant organs, that would have the effect of wounding them but NOT rendering them unconscious and possibly even failing to immobilize them. So while the stun setting might leave you with a snoring Klingon on a 60 minute wakeup timer, the kill setting might leave you with a pissed off howling Klingon with a weapon still in his hand.

Switching to "kill" on T'Kuvma makes sense in this case because the Captain has a knife in her chest, his back is to her, and he fucking deserves it at this point. Considering this one lapse of judgement pretty much landed her in the slammer for life, it's not a mistake she's likely to repeat in the future.
 
Those beacons.

It's a stealth mission, so let's have them LIGHT UP and GLOW and put Starfleet arrowheads on top of them:lol:
Haven't people been pining for more cumbersome and limited technology on this show?;)

What is ambiguous here is whether Lorca is eeeeeevil or not when practicing his natural art of manipulating everybody. Some people just happen to be like that, and it takes a bit of extra mental effort to play their game for the zero stakes involved.
Quite. I don't think Lorca is "evil" per se—nor do I wholly think Voq/Tyler or L'Rell are, for that matter—but he's a calculating, manipulating bastard for sure, and he's got an ulterior motive. I don't know exactly what it is, but mark my words, he's got one.
 
Voq is the torchbearer.

That title means that it is his job to set off the beacon of Kahless.

Michael's phaser that she dropped in the pilot (part2) was set to stun seconds before she shot T'Kuvma, and then suddenly it wasn't.

Either she changed the setting, the fall nudged the setting, or there's a third factor in play like a time traveller or space god, or...
 
Umm, isn't that the whole point of the device - to establish that uplink? I'm just saying the message gets played out on the ship's loudspeakers, not on internal sensor loudspeakers.

I don't think Lorca is "evil"—nor do I wholly think Voq/Tyler or L'Rell are, for that matter—but he's a calculating, manipulating bastard for sure, and he's got an ulterior motive. I don't know exactly what it is, but mark my words, he's got one.

Or then he's just so used to manipulating that he does it even when there's nothing at stake.

But in this particular case, I trust there's a driving motivation. It's just that it could be as innocent as "I want a last joyride before they throw me in a gilded cage".

Timo Saloniemi
 
Oh, and I almost forgot to mention it...

The complete and deliberate subversion of the "Universal Translator" trope. This is basically a massive and incredibly satisfying canon violation, as it implies that (at least in Discovery) every time you hear a Klingon speaking English they actually ARE speaking English and not just translated Klingon.

By the Trek Gods, I hope they stick to this going forward, because I'm going to be seriously pissed off if they don't remain consistent with this in the future.
 
Michael's phaser that she dropped in the pilot (part2) was set to stun seconds before she shot T'Kuvma, and then suddenly it wasn't.

Either she changed the setting, the fall nudged the setting, or there's a third factor in play like a time traveller or space god, or...
Oh, she definitely changed the setting herself, deliberately. She murdered T'Kuvma, and she knows it, even if she ostensibly had justification. She couldn't stop herself after he killed Georgiou. It was a true crime of passion. It was her lowest point. She did the exact opposite of what she intended and knew she ought to do. Perhaps even more than the knowledge that she got her friend and captain killed (along with many others)—though it all bleeds together—it is her guilt and self-loathing and torment over this act that causes her to plead guilty and surrender herself to her punishment. She never expected nor thought she deserved a second chance at anything. Lorca gave her one anyway. We can only wonder why...

Michael is a fascinating character, and so is Lorca.
 
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Oh, and I almost forgot to mention it...

The complete and deliberate subversion of the "Universal Translator" trope. This is basically a massive and incredibly satisfying canon violation, as it implies that (at least in Discovery) every time you hear a Klingon speaking English they actually ARE speaking English and not just translated Klingon.

By the Trek Gods, I hope they stick to this going forward, because I'm going to be seriously pissed off if they don't remain consistent with this in the future.
i just wish they'd stuck with the overlapping human/alien voices (a la Star Trek Beyond) instead of going all-human towards the end.
 
The complete and deliberate subversion of the "Universal Translator" trope. This is basically a massive and incredibly satisfying canon violation, as it implies that (at least in Discovery) every time you hear a Klingon speaking English they actually ARE speaking English and not just translated Klingon.

I didn't take it that way at all. I assumed the Klingon was still speaking Klingon, and that it was just in English for our benefit - having shown us that it was being translated.

Same as in TUC where we see Chang speaking Klingon with it being translated, then the camera pans around and he's speaking English.
 
I'd happily ditch the whole thing and have them inexplicably speak English. They are instantly so much better without the jerky made up language.
You can do a lot with a fictional language. In fact, I'd wager that your delivery can be a lot more meaningful if the words have no meaning of their own and the only thing you can do to convey meaning is vary tone, inflection and body language.

It's kinda like Vin Diesel's parts in "Guardians of the Galaxy." They actually wrote translated meaningful dialog for Groot, which Vin Diesel carefully translated into fifty thousand different variations of "I am Groot."

Hell, we've never understood anything Chewbacca's ever said, but you can pack a shit ton of personality into a few loud vocalizations.
 
i just wish they'd stuck with the overlapping human/alien voices (a la Star Trek Beyond) instead of going all-human towards the end.
BEY was by far my favorite of the Kelvin films—and the only one I really enjoyed as a whole instead of just parts—but that was one thing I found annoying as hell in it. Not conceptually, but it just didn't play well for me in practice. Some of the early Klingon scenes in DSC did drag on a bit...but I can handle subtitles, and I can handle aliens speaking English as if there's just a magic lip-syncing UT in my television, but please not that two-sets-of-lines-talking-over-each-other business. Actually, it's ok if it's like TUC and they quickly transition—that was actually pretty neat—but beyond that (no pun intended) it's just distracting. Just IMO, naturally.
 
You can do a lot with a fictional language.
You can. I love the use of Elvish in the LotR movies for example. But Klingon, at least as presented in Discovery, is terrible. It's slow, jerky, cumbersome for the actors, and seems to draw any kind of realism from a scene while we watch two actors making gutteral noises at each other while stood stock still and waving their arms theatrically. As soon as you switch to English, they become real characters again.
I'm not against fictional languages per se, I just think Discovery has failed to do them well.
 
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"If" Lorca us from an alternate universe I wonder if his interest in Burnham will be revealed...perhaps HIS Burnham was a protégé/someone he cared about that he lost in his universe?
 
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