What would you change about this series?

[kerchan]

For me what made star trek be star trek was not having that constant source of conflict. Every scifi show these days has crew conflict. It's refreshing to watch star trek(not discovery, obviously) and see a set of competent, professional people working together for a common good. They may have philosophical disagreements from time to time, but they respect each other and work it out. That's the utopian star trek universe and I miss it. If i want inner conflict between main characters, ostensibly on the same side, i'll go watch battlestar galactica, dark matter, or one of umpteen other "dark future" scifi shows.

Better opening scenes! More crew 'bonding' and sense of teamwork...Some sense of the scale of the war...Everyone keeps saying Starfleet is losing but I'll be damned if that's come across on screen! Enjoying it so far despite some reservations...

For me what made star trek be star trek was not having that constant source of conflict. Every scifi show these days has crew conflict. It's refreshing to watch star trek(not discovery, obviously) and see a set of competent, professional people working together for a common good. They may have philosophical disagreements from time to time, but they respect each other and work it out. That's the utopian star trek universe and I miss it. If i want inner conflict between main characters, ostensibly on the same side, i'll go watch battlestar galactica, dark matter, or one of umpteen other "dark future" scifi shows.

 

[fireproof78]

For me what made star trek be star trek was not having that constant source of conflict. Every scifi show these days has crew conflict. It's refreshing to watch star trek(not discovery, obviously) and see a set of competent, professional people working together for a common good. They may have philosophical disagreements from time to time, but they respect each other and work it out. That's the utopian star trek universe and I miss it. If i want inner conflict between main characters, ostensibly on the same side, i'll go watch battlestar galactica, dark matter, or one of umpteen other "dark future" scifi shows.

For me what made star trek be star trek was not having that constant source of conflict. Every scifi show these days has crew conflict. It's refreshing to watch star trek(not discovery, obviously) and see a set of competent, professional people working together for a common good. They may have philosophical disagreements from time to time, but they respect each other and work it out. That's the utopian star trek universe and I miss it. If i want inner conflict between main characters, ostensibly on the same side, i'll go watch battlestar galactica, dark matter, or one of umpteen other "dark future" scifi shows.

Can a Utopian ideals survive conflict between its members?

 

[Uncle Dick]

Here are a few modest suggestions:

1. Ditch the TV-MA Rating.
I know "mature content" has become more acceptable due to the success of premium channels and streaming, but Star Trek has always been family viewing for me. The gratuitous profanity and gore hasn't done the series any favors and limits rather than expands the audience.

2. End the Klingon War.
The new "Klingons" are a terrible misfire, throwing out decades of thoughtful characterization from Ronald Moore et al. in favor of hideous, marble-mouthed B-movie monsters. Additionally, the militaristic tone of the series feels more like the alternate universe in "Yesterday's Enterprise" than anything we've seen in the Prime universe. The best way to remedy both of these issues is to end the war ASAP and leave the Klingons to lick their wounds (and transmogrify into TOS Klingons) offscreen. Season 2 of DIS could be focused on a return to normalcy, allowing the crew to rediscover their humanity and shut down the dangerous spore drive once and for all.

3. Return to Classic Aesthetics and Cinematography.
I'm not asking for DIS to look just like TNG, but I'd prefer that it didn't ape the Abramsverse aesthetic of jerky camera movements, frenetic editing, and, yes, lens flares. Some classical scene blocking and clean beauty shots of ships would go a long way to making the series look and feel like Star Trek.

 

[Dijeirusan]

I don't see the show ever going back to anything less than TV-MA. Why would it? I fully predict Season 2 will ramp it up in terms of profanity and violence. They've been playing it safe in that regard so far this season.

I don't expect the Klingon War will wrap up until Season 2's end. We're halfway through Season 1 and the war is only just brewing.

As for the cinematography, this is perhaps the only show that rivals Game of Thrones. I don't think the show will ever return to the old style.

 

[toonloon]

I'm really, really enjoying the show so far. If I had to change one thing, I'd pick adding more of the division colours to the uniforms rather than the hard to spot piping we have this season. They do look like a continuation of the Enterprise uniforms and they do look great, but I'm sure we all recognise that they don't look like "Cage" era uniforms, which I'm okay with, but like I said, I wish there was less navy blue throughout and more of the colours that separates the departments.

 

[toonloon]

Incorporate some of Roddenberry's innovative ideas about human society from his visionary TMP novelization.

Kor

Like sex instructors for main characters parents?

 

[toonloon]

“Make it real Star Trek!”

“Don't make it grimdark/GoT in space!”

“Set it post Nemesis.”

“Don't have it take itself so seriously!”

Star Trek: Lost In Space?

 

[toonloon]

Absolutely nothing, I'm watching as a viewer.

That said, I'm not a fan of subtitles, and I struggle to read the dialogue and drink wine at the same time.

It may not be the wine. Some of the subtitles are so large that they zoom off the screen before I've had the chance to read them. I'm not a slow reader, but when I read subtitles I'm also looking at the actors, set designs, etc... and I totally agree that some of them go way too fast.

 

[toonloon]

1. Very little spoken Klingon. I think the best practice would be to have the Klingon cast speak English in scenes where only Klingons are around, but speak Klingon if in mixed company (to make it clear when Humans and other Federation members can't understand them).
2. Less Klingon makeup. A "re-imagining" is fine, but the makeup is too heavy and getting in the way of the acting.
3. Getting rid of the prologue entirely, maybe salvaging a few bits as backstory flashbacks.
4. Slowing everything way the fuck down. The past two episodes were okay, but instead of using an A/B plot it was more like an A/B/C/D plot. You need time and space to let the character interactions flow properly.

I agree the Klingon scenes do feel too long. Is it just me or does the klingon language sound like it's spoken word by word rather than sentence by sentence? I think if they spoke it quicker the klingon scenes may not feel so long, although I could be wrong about that.

 

[Gepard]

I don't see the show ever going back to anything less than TV-MA. Why would it? I fully predict Season 2 will ramp it up in terms of profanity and violence. They've been playing it safe in that regard so far this season.

I'd rather get oodles of sex and nudity than graphic violence.

 

[Vger23]

I don't see the show ever going back to anything less than TV-MA. Why would it? I fully predict Season 2 will ramp it up in terms of profanity and violence. They've been playing it safe in that regard so far this season.

I don't expect the Klingon War will wrap up until Season 2's end. We're halfway through Season 1 and the war is only just brewing.

As for the cinematography, this is perhaps the only show that rivals Game of Thrones. I don't think the show will ever return to the old style.

It's already been stated by the showrunners that the war arc ends with season 1

 

[Vger23]

I'd rather get oodles of sex and nudity than graphic violence.

Well....I mean.....DUHHHHH!!!!!

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

I don't expect the Klingon War will wrap up until Season 2's end. We're halfway through Season 1 and the war is only just brewing.

The producers have stated that the Klingon war will be resolved in season 1 and season 2 will have a different major plot arc.

As for the cinematography, this is perhaps the only show that rivals Game of Thrones.

Yeah, no. With the exception of the alien desert planet scene in episode 1 we haven’t seen anything that extraordinary since. All the USS Discovery interior scenes could easily be from The Expanse cinematography wise.

 

[Dijeirusan]

There is a huge difference between The Expanse and this...

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

There is a huge difference between The Expanse and this...

Exactly like GOT and DSC then.

 

[Dijeirusan]

Exactly like GOT and DSC then.

I'm not saying they look the same. I said it rivals it in terms of cinematography. This show has better camera work, visuals and lighting than most blockbuster movies, and shits all over GOT's first two seasons in my opinion (cinematography wise).

 

[GilmourD]

Especially during war.

I don't think you get how this works.

Look at WWII. EVERYBODY was part of the war. Ford, for instance, was manufacturing Jeeps (yes, Jeeps), tanks, and other military vehicles. Clothing manufacturers reduced the amount of fabric used in consumer clothing and diverted that to uniforms.

And that's not even what happens with Starfleet. Starfleet ships are weaponized. They conform to the rank structure of the US Navy. They have rules and regulations concerning military operations. During peace time they don't operate in the same way as they do during war, but they certainly aren't a non-military organization. They're kind of a combination of the Navy and NASA, and which they emphasize depends on the situation.

 

[Sheol]

You must have mistaken this for someplace that welcomes homophobic remarks. It's not. Don't do this again.

Infraction for trolling. Comments to PM.

Homophobic implies that I am somehow afraid of homosexuals. As a retired Army veteran, I am not afraid of much, including anything you or any other debased reprobate can threaten me with. I am not one of those politically correct liberal socialist pukes that thinks that censorship and limiting free speech is anything other than un-consitutional and un-American. Go suck a rope!

 

[The Overlord]

For me what made star trek be star trek was not having that constant source of conflict. Every scifi show these days has crew conflict. It's refreshing to watch star trek(not discovery, obviously) and see a set of competent, professional people working together for a common good. They may have philosophical disagreements from time to time, but they respect each other and work it out. That's the utopian star trek universe and I miss it. If i want inner conflict between main characters, ostensibly on the same side, i'll go watch battlestar galactica, dark matter, or one of umpteen other "dark future" scifi shows.

For me what made star trek be star trek was not having that constant source of conflict. Every scifi show these days has crew conflict. It's refreshing to watch star trek(not discovery, obviously) and see a set of competent, professional people working together for a common good. They may have philosophical disagreements from time to time, but they respect each other and work it out. That's the utopian star trek universe and I miss it. If i want inner conflict between main characters, ostensibly on the same side, i'll go watch battlestar galactica, dark matter, or one of umpteen other "dark future" scifi shows.

But is there not the danger that you turn the characters into Care Bears if you have no real interpersonal conflict. TNG had a rule about no interpersonal conflict in the first couple of seasons, season one of TNG was not great television. DS9 had interpersonal conflict and is considered one of the better Trek series.

Doesn't a show where everyone gets along all the time promote a group think mindset? Is that not dangerous?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Homophobic implies that I am somehow afraid of homosexuals. As a retired Army veteran, I am not afraid of much, including anything you or any other debased reprobate can threaten me with. I am not one of those politically correct liberal socialist pukes that thinks that censorship and limiting free speech is anything other than un-consitutional and un-American. Go suck a rope!

Infraction for all that nonsense. Comments to don't bother.