Um, most people are loving it. You might not be, and that's fine. But generally I'm reading positive reviews about it.
Of course you are.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"
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Um, most people are loving it. You might not be, and that's fine. But generally I'm reading positive reviews about it.
Of course you are.
I don't see how he can be honestly. The only question is whether it'll be his mental state or him rubbing the admiralty the wrong way that'll do him in first. I'm guessing his mental state because that provides more drama.
He seems modeled a bit after Matt Decker in TOS. A great Captain who survived the loss of their entire crew and went off the deep end. Decker sacrificed himself in such a manner that didn't destroy the threat (The Doomsday Machine) but it showed the others how it could be done. I'm wondering if it'll be something like that? There's a midseason break and I wouldn't be surprised if the total breakdown happens around then.
By any chance, do you distrust Ash Tyler?
Just a vibe that I am getting.
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Episode 6 thoughts continued.
The intro grows on me a little more every time I watch it, very subtle and understated which fits the type of ship and mission they are on.
Sarek and Burnham really don't need to phone home do they, perhaps this will mean Sarek stays on-board the Discovery for a while once he is rescued.
So it was renegade Vulcans who attacked the learning centre.
Lorca sure told that Vulcan Admiral then dismissed him, loved it.
Stamets is stoned, love the look he gets from Lorca, its like Lorcas saying yeah he's pickled I know the feeling.
His last comment about bringing Burnham back alive or don't bother coming back is telling, he has something planned for Burnham, maybe he just wants to help her redeem herself or perhaps its something more.
Is it just me or isn't it a bit strange for an Admiral to just pop over in her cruiser for a chat, the Discovery used the spore drive so the Admiral couldn't have been far away, is she following the Discovery?
Interesting that the Admiral called the Discovery the most advanced ship in the fleet, is that just due to the spore drive or is there something else.
Finally Lorca asks what she is really doing there, I don't believe the whole "I have come to see a friend" line, she just so happened to be nearby.
So Sarek had to choose between Spock and Burnham, interesting to think of what would have changed if he had chosen Burnham instead of Spock, especially as we know Spock chose Starfleet anyway, it does explain more about why Sarek was so upset with Spocks decision so its a nice call back.
As soon as the Admiral said she would take the ship she pretty much doomed herself, shame really I liked her character, I really wanted a look at her ship as well.
Love the way he drops her name in the hat like that, she is the closest admiral and time is an issue but it could be taken another way, then he just matter of factly offers Burnham a place on the bridge.
What a boss he is, he is up there with Kirk for me warts and all.
Penny for Lorcas thoughts as the Admiral walks onto the shuttle and after he finds out it was a trap.
Well played Lorca whether you intended it or not.
Another solid 9 out of 10.
The intro grows on me a little more every time I watch it, very subtle and understated which fits the type of ship and mission they are on.
Sarek and Burnham really don't need to phone home do they, perhaps this will mean Sarek stays on-board the Discovery for a while once he is rescued.
So it was renegade Vulcans who attacked the learning centre.
Lorca sure told that Vulcan Admiral then dismissed him, loved it.
Stamets is stoned, love the look he gets from Lorca, its like Lorcas saying yeah he's pickled I know the feeling.
His last comment about bringing Burnham back alive or don't bother coming back is telling, he has something planned for Burnham, maybe he just wants to help her redeem herself or perhaps its something more.
Is it just me or isn't it a bit strange for an Admiral to just pop over in her cruiser for a chat, the Discovery used the spore drive so the Admiral couldn't have been far away, is she following the Discovery?
Interesting that the Admiral called the Discovery the most advanced ship in the fleet, is that just due to the spore drive or is there something else.
Finally Lorca asks what she is really doing there, I don't believe the whole "I have come to see a friend" line, she just so happened to be nearby.
So Sarek had to choose between Spock and Burnham, interesting to think of what would have changed if he had chosen Burnham instead of Spock, especially as we know Spock chose Starfleet anyway, it does explain more about why Sarek was so upset with Spocks decision so its a nice call back.
As soon as the Admiral said she would take the ship she pretty much doomed herself, shame really I liked her character, I really wanted a look at her ship as well.
Love the way he drops her name in the hat like that, she is the closest admiral and time is an issue but it could be taken another way, then he just matter of factly offers Burnham a place on the bridge.
What a boss he is, he is up there with Kirk for me warts and all.
Penny for Lorcas thoughts as the Admiral walks onto the shuttle and after he finds out it was a trap.
Well played Lorca whether you intended it or not.
Another solid 9 out of 10.
They're probably done the same way as the QMx replicas, "which use strong, short-field magnets that are embedded in each badge itself and in a glossy backplate."
Oh, Stamets' reason why they couldn't take the ship in the nebula was utter bullshit. Oh, it was usual Trek technobabble to force them do the thing the plot needed them to do, but c'mon, come up with better babble! The spores on the ship will react with the gas in the nebula. How? Presumably the spores are safely contained withing the hull of the ship, and if needed, the shields too. How the fuck could they come in contact with anything in the nebula?
EAS' review
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/dis1.htm#lethe
Burnham mentions "Constitution-class ships like the Enterprise". There is a twofold irony in the reference to the "Constitution class". In TOS, this designation was never used, and the ship's dedication plaque read "Starship Class".
Wow.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/dis1.htm#lethe
Burnham mentions "Constitution-class ships like the Enterprise". There is a twofold irony in the reference to the "Constitution class". In TOS, this designation was never used, and the ship's dedication plaque read "Starship Class".
Wow.
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I don't mind Frain as Sarek (since we can't have a young Mark Lenard) but I think I preferred Ben Cross's version. The role of Amanda seems to be cast very well.
Also not buying the Vulcans being such dicks. Logic and IDIC don't support being racist assholes. Yes, I know it was done in other Treks, but I didn't like it any better there, especially in DS9 and then ENT. There's no logic in judging other races based on Vulcan norms. Basically, I'm not seeing much difference between them and Romulans other than the mind meld/pon farr stuff and the emphasis on logic.
Also, the "Sophie's choice" made no sense. Bring Burnham in now and a few years later, Spock. Are the Vulcans that fucking fragile that a human and half-human would destroy their institution? This does rather explain the Sarek/Spock Journey to Babel relationship though. TBH - Sarek's not a bad father; his SOCIETY seems to be a bunch of racist dicks and he can't break through that.
Hoping there will be no Voq...er...Tyler/Burnham romance. Please, God, NO!
Still not a Tilly fan. Captain my ass.
The biggest disappointment was Lorca's action. "Oh, send her on the shuttle. Maybe something bad will happen." Worse telegraphing thus far. I don't want to see one of my favorite characters become a bad guy and then dumped off the show. *sigh*
Also not buying the Vulcans being such dicks. Logic and IDIC don't support being racist assholes. Yes, I know it was done in other Treks, but I didn't like it any better there, especially in DS9 and then ENT. There's no logic in judging other races based on Vulcan norms. Basically, I'm not seeing much difference between them and Romulans other than the mind meld/pon farr stuff and the emphasis on logic.
Also, the "Sophie's choice" made no sense. Bring Burnham in now and a few years later, Spock. Are the Vulcans that fucking fragile that a human and half-human would destroy their institution? This does rather explain the Sarek/Spock Journey to Babel relationship though. TBH - Sarek's not a bad father; his SOCIETY seems to be a bunch of racist dicks and he can't break through that.
Hoping there will be no Voq...er...Tyler/Burnham romance. Please, God, NO!
Still not a Tilly fan. Captain my ass.
The biggest disappointment was Lorca's action. "Oh, send her on the shuttle. Maybe something bad will happen." Worse telegraphing thus far. I don't want to see one of my favorite characters become a bad guy and then dumped off the show. *sigh*
Just watched it. I give it a 9! I liked the Sarek/Burnham interaction, it makes sense he would throw her under the bus since he was such a lousy father and never stood up for his own son much more less a foster daughter. No wonder TAS Amanda divorced him.
For the first time I find Lorca's vulnerability sad and pathetic, however Captains like him win wars but do not do so well in peacetime. I think the show will end in his death.
For the first time I find Lorca's vulnerability sad and pathetic, however Captains like him win wars but do not do so well in peacetime. I think the show will end in his death.
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I think it just showed that Lorca has just as many layers as Burnham does and is also just as damaged.
Doesn't mean he is a bad guy though, I do like the greyness of his decisions and how they can be taken more than one way.
I do feel that Tyler being Voq is a bit too obvious at this point and they may be setting us up for a big shock.
I have worked out Tilly's master plan, she started the war to thin out the cadet competition and knock off some of the Captains and Admirals due to battle attrition, she is bound to rise through the ranks faster with a war on, well played Tilly you evil genius you.
You ever watch Amok Time or Journey to Babel, the Vulcans always had assholes, they were never paragons of virtue.
About the Admiral's fate, I'm forced to wonder: Who else were they supposed to send?
Nobody else was available (on or off Discovery), and peace talks were about to collapse. There's no way Lorca could know that the Klingons were faking them out, or that Cornwell would be captured.
Lorca might have thought it was a convenient excuse to get Cornwell off the ship (thus delaying her attempts to relieve him of command), but there's no way he intentionally tried to get her killed. Lorca could not possibly know what was about to happen to her.
As others have pointed out, if Lorca simply wanted the Admiral dead, he would have sabotaged her shuttle. He just wanted her to stop bothering him.
Nobody else was available (on or off Discovery), and peace talks were about to collapse. There's no way Lorca could know that the Klingons were faking them out, or that Cornwell would be captured.
Lorca might have thought it was a convenient excuse to get Cornwell off the ship (thus delaying her attempts to relieve him of command), but there's no way he intentionally tried to get her killed. Lorca could not possibly know what was about to happen to her.
As others have pointed out, if Lorca simply wanted the Admiral dead, he would have sabotaged her shuttle. He just wanted her to stop bothering him.
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Nope, never watched them. No idea why I would want to watch them.
At any rate, DS9 and ENT especially really made them even more assholish.
The Orville is Trek Lite no matter what you say.
@Push The Button- RE: Captain Tilly...
Who would have ever thought by watching Emissary, that Nog would ever become such an efficient, dedicated and loyal Starfleet officer? And yes, as per "The Visitor", Starfleet gave Nog his own command in at least one alternate future.
Who would have ever thought by watching Emissary, that Nog would ever become such an efficient, dedicated and loyal Starfleet officer? And yes, as per "The Visitor", Starfleet gave Nog his own command in at least one alternate future.
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No. Have not heard that one before. I just googled "Mr. Saavik" and apparently they used it in Star Trek II. I never watched that movie in English and in the dubbed version I am familiar with they simply addressed her as Lieutenant.
I'm not an expert in Star Trek as other people here. But as a fan of Sci-fi that's what I noticed about the Vulcan in that episode. They don't seem different than the Romulans. It takes out the fun of watching and wondering how beings pretending to base their actions on logic would react to different situations (including integrating humans in their society, war with the Klingons, relations with Romulans and humans, sexuality, etc). It's unfortunate because even their apparent xenophobia/racism could be based on a more logical analysis. We know Vulcans are internally very emotional. They could turn into animal-like barbarians if it wasn't for their childhood training in logic, etc. So maybe the integration of emotional being like human could break down the logical barrier of "weaker" Vulcan (humans like fun, laugh, sexuality, defending ourselves physically when we need to, etc). Leading eventually to chaos, war, etc in Vulcan society. There's a logical stance that could be taken but it's not shown to us. The Vulcan "logical" position seem to be they are bigots, close minded idiots, who don't want to see human in their society, because humans are not as logical as them. We don't see any logical argumentation. Maybe Sarek could have discuss how he viewed logically the welcoming of human as something good for Vulcans while others would say to him how logically he is wrong. But we get none of that (yet).
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He did become a bad guy in the last episode already. But I really don't think he intentionally send Cornwell to be captured. He, just like everybody else was surprised by the Klingons' sudden but inevitable betrayal. If anything, he came across much more likeable here than ever before, a damaged man who is trying to act tough to conceal how fucked up he really is, rather than the edgy badass jerk he was portrayed as in the previous episodes.
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