Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

[Gonzo]

That's evading the point.




None of that is actually happening, of course.

The writers make this stuff up, you know? The writers decided that it would be a good idea for the characters to commit crimes and other cruelty. They have an absolute choice. They clearly believe that meanness is what will attract the most viewers. That is the only consideration.

Frankly, it's despicable.

I still don't get what your point is, I appreciate you don't like Discovery and prefer The Orville (I am enjoying both by the way) which is fair enough, I agreed with you when the first two episodes aired from each show as for me The Orville made a stronger start.

What exactly is the problem, I mean that in a genuinely interested, non sarcastic way as the later episodes of Discovery have been so much better plus The Orville is also doing well so surely having the two shows is a great thing.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

No.

They believe - with reason - that people like to watch violence on television. They like to watch cruelty on television. They like to watch terrible people doing terrible things on television. So if the studio is spending eight million dollars an episode on Star Trek in order to get people to pay to watch it, it will be a war story filled with violence and cruelty and meanness.

Most people who watch that stuff on TV watch to see that everything ends optimistically, nothing wrong with that. And it doesn't man there is anything despicable with the idea,

may as well remove all violence from all TV, don't wanna be mean or anything.

 

[Mudd]

Most people who watch that stuff on TV watch to see that everything ends optimistically, nothing wrong with that. And it doesn't man there is anything despicable with the idea,

Do you actually have an argument to make in defense of this show as worthwhile television?

 

[Lt. LaForge]

ALL HAIL DISCOVERY!!! THE BESTEST AND MOST TREK LIKE SERIES EVER! FOR ALL TIME!

Bigly.

Mature post.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

No.

They believe - with reason - that people like to watch violence on television. They like to watch cruelty on television. They like to watch terrible people doing terrible things on television. So if the studio is spending eight million dollars an episode on Star Trek in order to get people to pay to watch it, it will be a war story filled with violence and cruelty and meanness.

They're being rewarded for that, to a point. They don't need to create a great show that creates a huge new following, after all. They just need to sign up a few million households, not even enough to keep a network TV series securely on the air.

Where are you getting this idea that this show is being aimed for audiences that may enjoy watching a giant space worm get tortured?

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Do you have a complaint other than it's mean and the Klingons are brown so trump supporters must love it?

I've made several points as to it's quality. It isn't perfect but it's good and going in the right direction.

Do you have anything to say at all except perpetually crapping on it? yes we get it, you think it's uncreative and violent so it's for the MAGA crowd and mean people.

 

[Starfury]

Portraying a character in a "mean" fashion as a way to attract viewers isn't despicable.

You seem to think they believe "people are mean, and they want to see mean things, so we'll make a mean character that they like"

I think it has - sometimes - more to do with "People are being stressed and depressed and they do sometimes wrong and stupid things, and they might see every "Not good enough!"-Picard as a personal attack, so we'll give them people who are even worse. That way the viewers can feel better about themselves."

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Do you have a complaint other than it's mean and the Klingons are brown so trump supporters must love it?

I've made several points as to it's quality. It isn't perfect but it's good and going in the right direction.

Do you have anything to say at all except perpetually crapping on it? yes we get it, you think it's uncreative and violent so it's for the MAGA crowd and mean people.

They said a bad word in the last episode. Therefore my six year old kid can't watch it because of naughty language.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I think it has - sometimes - more to do with "People are being stressed and depressed and they do sometimes wrong and stupid things, and they might see every "Not good enough!"-Picard as a personal attack, so we'll give them people who are even worse. That way the viewers can feel better about themselves."

I think there are people of all kinds who exist,

but I doubt there is one writer working on the show who thinks "lets just think of someone worse than our viewers so our viewers feel good about themselves"

usually writers are thinking "this is intense, or this is sad, or this is exciting or this is that or this or that " and thinking what's the best way to put the pieces together to make something entertaining.

 

[Noname Given]

The writers make this stuff up, you know? The writers decided that it would be a good idea for the characters to commit crimes and other cruelty. They have an absolute choice. They clearly believe that meanness is what will attract the most viewers. That is the only consideration.

Frankly, it's despicable.

Wait I thought you LIKED - The Orville? Again, Necer and companion just killing everyone on a Krill ship (except the Krill children of any parent. possibly civillians too aboard) when other options (albeit more risky to Ed Mercer) were still available.

Man those Orville writers are evil, eh?

 

[Gonzo]

They said a bad word in the last episode. Therefore my six year old kid can't watch it because of naughty language.

Aww shame, isn't there a way to bleep it out or just very quickly and carefully skip that part, shouldn't hurt the story too much.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Aww shame, isn't there a way to bleep it out or just very quickly and carefully skip that part, shouldn't hurt the story too much.

I thought Makeshift was being sarcastic.

Maybe not, I don't know 'em well.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Aww shame, isn't there a way to bleep it out or just very quickly and carefully skip that part, shouldn't hurt the story too much.

Perhaps, but it has forever evaporated my child's innocence, so he will never be the same again!

 

[Starfury]

I think there are people of all kinds who exist,

but I doubt there is one writer working on the show who thinks "lets just think of someone worse than our viewers so our viewers feel good about themselves"

No, but they think "how can we make this more relatable for the average joe from wackedoodle". They have to sell their show, they have to get viewers. So they have to aim for the lowest common denominator while telling their story.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

No, but they think "how can we make this more relatable for the average joe from wackedoodle". They have to sell their show, they have to get viewers. So they have to aim for the lowest common denominator while telling their story.

That's assuming we're supposed to relate to Lorca.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

No, but they think "how can we make this more relatable for the average joe from wackedoodle". They have to sell their show, they have to get viewers. So they have to aim for the lowest common denominator while telling their story.

I doubt that,

most of the time writer's, whether they do a good job or not, are just trying to create good drama.

 

[Gonzo]

I thought Makeshift was being sarcastic.

Maybe not, I don't know 'em well.

Alas my sarcasm detector is still broken from last week after I posted my thoughts on episode 4.

I responded the way I did because there probably are younger children watching the show with their parents and some may not want their children to hear it, then again the kids will hear it plenty at school anyway.

Only thing they can do is watch first and then skip ahead if they know something unsuitable is coming up.

I don't really have a problem with Tilly saying it or with Stamets response as it was a real eureka moment.

 

[Gonzo]

Perhaps, but it has forever evaporated my child's innocence, so he will never be the same again!

Hang on I think my detector is working again.

Thank god for that.

P.S I evaporated my own innocence, its overrated anyway.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I don't really have a problem with Tilly saying it or with Stamets response as it was a real eureka moment.

I knew ahead that there was going to be harsher language in this show so I assumed they would just use it during a cliched tense and dramatic moment. Instead they totally surprised me with a moment of levity.

 

[Gonzo]

I knew ahead that there was going to be harsher language in this show so I assumed they would just use it during a cliched tense and dramatic moment. Instead they totally surprised me with a moment of levity.

Just be thankful that Lorca didn't go into detail about male Klingons double meat and two veg.

I can just imagine the questions that would have prompted in a six year old.