Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"
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Too bad Georgiou didn't survive the boarding party fiasco to make an addendum to her will...
"Let's see...my telescope to Michael...nope!" (furiously crosses that line out)
It's like the general store in O Brother, Where Art Thou? where it's a geographical oddity.
Post Europa - it is incomprehensible why Starfleet would get the various escape pods but NOT destroy the ship that was wounded and/or take the cloaking device - if nothing else to prevent the Klingons from using it. Sorry but much as i'm enjoying the series, it seems that Voq was floating around for six months doing nothing but appealing to T'Kuvma for guidance.
Which is troubling, since T'Kuvma is dead. So imagine how slurred T'Kuvma was speaking when alive. Now think of that with the extra "ghostly" waver to his voice.
"Eat the Starfleet Captain" was actually "Send out for pizza and ask for a new dilithium processor", but no one could understand the spirit of T'Kuvma!
They didn't even need them to. That scene could have taken place just a few weeks after the battle, because there's no reason that all scenes in a given episode have to be roughly contemporaneous (see the last season of Game of Thrones). They instead decided to purposefully put in the line about the six month wait, which is why it's being ridiculed.
He actually spoke the title of the episode, but nobody knew what the hell a lamb is.
I got the impression that when Europa did a forced antimatter containment dump it took the "wedge ship" out with it completely. There may have been nothing much left to destroy and/or salvage.
I would like to get a better look at that ship, though, outside the little pin that came out a few months back. As far as I know, that was the only complete image in existence of that odd-looking vessel.
Maybe what you (and others) are really saying here is something like 'I don't have a plausible alternate explanation, but I'm just not ready to accept the consensus opinion unless I get on screen confirmation'. I understand this. I'v been there.
The problem is that , in this case, I don't think we'll get any further explanation because I don't think the writers think further explanation is required, because they probably think what they intended was obvious. Also, because the 'how' just isn't vital to Michael and Phillipa's personal arc..
I find that when it happens this way, when no further explanation is offered, it is a sign that the writers intend for us to accept the most likely, most plausible, explanation.
The down side to this, however, is that it gives the appearance that we may have yet another group of Trek writers who don't understand our capacity to get caught up in MOTHERFUCKING UNIMPORTANT MINUTIAE! No offense to you personally grendalsbayne.
/sigh and so another episode of "BattlestarTrek of Thrones;Discovery" passes. Actually this one wasn't as bad. You could almost feel some Trek DNA trying to peek out. Before it got stomped down by mumbling Klingons and incompetent unlikable Federation officers. Yeah the Cannibal Klingons are more morally upstanding and sympathetic than the dark swarmy clueless and downright stupid protagonists we have seen so far.
Wow! So they are growing Michael Burnham's Conscience back. You can see where this all ends, can't you? First her lack of conscience causes her to mutiny and murderously start the enocidal war with the Klingons. Next her sudden adoption of a conscience will cause her to mutiny in order to save the monster/spores/etc against the hidden evils of Star Fleet, thereby eliminating the Federations means to win or end the war. Yes I'm speculating here, but they can't possibly be telegraphing this any louder. These writers just aren't that bright or clever. So yeah our Main character, our POV protagonist already has so much blood on her hands due to bad decisions that she makes Pol Pot look like a mere car thief. And you can just see it's going to get worse.
I hope I am wrong on this.
Wow! So they are growing Michael Burnham's Conscience back. You can see where this all ends, can't you? First her lack of conscience causes her to mutiny and murderously start the enocidal war with the Klingons. Next her sudden adoption of a conscience will cause her to mutiny in order to save the monster/spores/etc against the hidden evils of Star Fleet, thereby eliminating the Federations means to win or end the war. Yes I'm speculating here, but they can't possibly be telegraphing this any louder. These writers just aren't that bright or clever. So yeah our Main character, our POV protagonist already has so much blood on her hands due to bad decisions that she makes Pol Pot look like a mere car thief. And you can just see it's going to get worse.
I hope I am wrong on this.
Maybe what you (and others) are really saying here is something like 'I don't have a plausible alternate explanation, but I'm just not ready to accept the consensus opinion unless I get on screen confirmation'. I understand this. I'v been there.
The problem is that , in this case, I don't think we'll get any further explanation because I don't think the writers think further explanation is required, because they probably think what they intended was obvious. Also, because the 'how' just isn't vital to Michael and Phillipa's personal arc..
I find that when it happens this way, when no further explanation is offered, it is a sign that the writers intend for us to accept the most likely, most plausible, explanation.
The down side to this, however, is that it gives the appearance that we may have yet another group of Trek writers who don't understand our capacity to get caught up in MOTHERFUCKING UNIMPORTANT MINUTIAE! No offense to you personally grendalsbayne.
All I'm saying is that, based on the evidence so far, it is equally plausible that it's the same telescope or that it isn't. Until something on screen changes that, everyone should imagine their own preferred scenario is correct. But in either case, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the telescope still being around.
I think the fact that it is missing from Georgiou's Ready Room when Voq goes there is about all the confirmation you're going to get.
It works for me. I believe it is the same telescope.
I don't think that's confirmation of anything. But I don't think we need confirmation of anything, either.
Why else would the telescope be gone? No one's been on the Shenzhou for six months.
All this traffic about a telescope? Seriously, who the fuck cares?
"Hi, I'm a Star Trek fan. We obviously haven't met before. Nor have you ever met any other Star Trek fans."
Smashed in battle? Sucked out into space? Removed from the ship but not sent to Burnham? Who knows?
Where did the furniture go? We know no one evacuated that.
I would've loved a scene where they fire a torpedo at the Shenzhou, and it just bounces off. Then the captain looks at the tactical officer and says, "I told you we should have brought more than one torpedo!"
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