Can you note a specific time where Starfleet self-destructed a ship for the principle of keeping general tech from someone else? All I can think of is the Stargazer which wasn't destroyed, and the Glenn which had the game changing tech on it and was in danger of being captured. Other ships that were self-destructed or threatened were generally the leading edge Constitutions or Galaxies or Sovereigns and/or when they were being actively taken over by enemies. The Shenzhou was an outdated ship.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"
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Can you note a specific time where Starfleet self-destructed a ship for the principle of keeping general tech from someone else? All I can think of is the Stargazer which wasn't destroyed, and the Glenn which had the game changing tech on it and was in danger of being captured. Other ships that were self-destructed or threatened were generally the leading edge Constitutions or Galaxies or Sovereigns and/or when they were being actively taken over by enemies. The Shenzhou was an outdated ship.
Yeah I think this ep broke that trend.
Does it need to have precedent? I'm just talking about this instance. And outdated or not, it had a critical piece of technology aboard that assisted the enemy.
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No, no, no...TNG would have had Picard show up, be fired upon (maybe loose 18 crewmen as that was a number the writers often used when talking casualties in multiple episodes
); AND HE STILL WOULDN'T HAVE FIRED BACK BTW... he would have pleaded directly to the High Council with his 'Arbiter of Succession" cred - and maneuvered the Empire into withdrawing rather than facing another Klingonm civil war because Picard had found another long lost Duras relative to claim will get his 'gratitude' support (and Worf grudgingly argees ONLY because it will save the colony - where his adoptive mother now works as a cook. )Yeah, this is why this story WOULDN'T WORK well in the 25th century era of Star Trek.
The U.S.S. Pegasus (see TNG's - "The Pegasus") Pressman's orders were to find and destroy the wreckage. He didn't think about possible retrieval of the tech until the ship had been found.
But Stargazer was lost, thought destroyed after Picard abandoned ship. Shenzhou was there for the taking, right there on the border to the Klingons.
And it isn't like Starfleet couldn't have taken care of the Shenzhou, they had to go pick up the escape pods, they couldn't have gotten very far. Unless those are now warp capable?
The ship was considered not worth salvaging - none of it's technology is unknown to the Klingons, it's a very old ship. Also, for all we know, the area of the battle could now be BEHIND the front lines.
It doesn't have to have precedent one way or the other, but to say that it is outright wrong I would want to see something. And yes, militarily it would make sense to prevent the enemy from getting any technology, but Starfleet isn't THAT much of a military. If Starfleet was really serious, noting that the majority of the ship was intact and capable of repair and had a full complement of warriors aboard and carried a new cloaking device, they could have beamed another torpedo warhead into the Klingon's engine and done away with any threat. They could have treated it like who can get main power back up first, the Enterprise or the Reliant. I know that is a different order of warfare than the peaceful Federation is willing to do, but it too would be logical and probably would be excusable when having been ambushed under an agreement of a cease fire.
The Klingon's said that the Starfleet forces were damaged, scattered and in hiding. I figure the escape pod survivors hitched a ride on one of the hiding, but warp-capable, ships.
Since they haven't said anything about where the front lines are, and both groups dispersed from the area. I'd say the border in that area is probably pretty well in tact.
Absolutely they can ignore it.
I suspect they won't, however, as we are told everything which currently seems like a continuity error will make perfect sense at the season unfolds.
- Neither strikes me as an anti-hero, especially Michael. She's doing straight up hero stuff.
- Not finding the writing any more "shallow" or bad that bast Star Trek. Nor am I seeing style over substance. I think the show could actually use a little more style.
If it is the same telescope how did it wind up in that case with a special message from Georgiou? Did who ever grabbed it turn it over to Georgiou's family or executor? And why did they grab that item?
I see what you did there.......
Without trying to single out Discovery for this common sin, you'd think Starfleet would be worried about less advanced civilizations coming across their abandoned tech. Prime Directive and all. Easy enough to blow up a ship.
But then Voq couldn't steal the flux capacitor needed to fix his ship.
Needs of the plot. If they need the ship to remain intact it won't blow up.
Voq needs to be smarter when he's looking for things to make them go.
I would LOL so hard if the Pakled ended up in Discovery. I think it would be considered offensive if they tried to show a "special" race now however.
"What's wrong Voq? Did your rubber band break?"
Wanted to Buy: Key to fit clockwork winder for our ship. Must be able to drop off. Contact, Voq, stranded on Klingon/Federation Border.
Which in turn sent Burnham on a lovely little guilt trip, aided along by the dearly
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