I don't think @SolarisOne was agreeing with you. He and @ohdeve were the only ones who offered opinions.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"
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Really? Because our explanations were more or less the same. So...
As a butcher (really), I can tell you that I do not care for that show.
The new look of Klingons doesn't stick to me. Oh my.. the spore drive is a kickass!
How can seeing a Klingon not be a trigger for someone who lost their family in a KLINGON ATTACK? Your argument would be valid if Burnham's parents had been killed in an explosion with cause unrelated to the Klingons. You even argue against your own point in your first paragraph. By your argument, an Army vet who served in Iraq in combat would only be triggered by going back to iraq and getting involved in combat again. Please explain then why there are countless accounts of Army veterans suffering from PTSD being trigger by fireworks, a car back firing, a plastic bag blowing on a street or the smell of cooking meat?
It's the same with survivors of sexual abuse. They can be triggered by a strangers after shave or someone wearing similar clothes as their attacker, a room with wallpaper the same colour as the room where their abuse took place. They don't need to be subject to abuse again to be triggered.
You're probably using the wrong adhesive. Use Pros-Aide.
Aren't there two past incidents which may have been traumatic for Burnham before the show begins?
The Klingon attack on the colony which killed her parents. She loses her focus and looks distressed as a child while trying to pass a Vulcan test because it is brought up as a question.
Then there's a different flashback where the school she was at is bombed and she's near death. Same set as before but this time damaged/smoking. Michael looks gravely hurt and Sarek has to mind meld with her to save her.
The Klingon attack on the colony which killed her parents. She loses her focus and looks distressed as a child while trying to pass a Vulcan test because it is brought up as a question.
Then there's a different flashback where the school she was at is bombed and she's near death. Same set as before but this time damaged/smoking. Michael looks gravely hurt and Sarek has to mind meld with her to save her.
Please read this:
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-everyday-sounds-trigger-veterans-with-ptsd-2017-6?IR=T
and this:
https://www.verywell.com/ptsd-triggers-and-coping-strategies-2797557
The second article specifically mentions seeing someone that reminds you of a specific event.
Dude, read your own articles cause they just proved my point.
Actually they don't. You're trying to say that someone seeing a Klingon who was the victim of a Klingon attack, shouldn't be triggered by seeing a Klingon, that it should have been an explosion that caused Burnhams to react the way that she did. The articles clearly state that anything a sufferer of PTSD can associate with an initial trauma will trigger flashbacks. If a balloon popping can cause an army vet to think he is in a war zone, i think coming face to face with Klingon can make Burnham think about the trauma of losing her parents.
I don't think Michael is actually prejudiced against Klingons but it has the very Un-Trek idea that she's trying to communicate, "I'm not racist against Klingons. It's not their genes which bother me, it's the fact they're a culture of violent psychopaths coming to kill us all." It's like suddenly the universe operates by the same values on display in Homeland.
She's panicking because she knows what's coming as much as a nervous breakdown.
She's panicking because she knows what's coming as much as a nervous breakdown.
Which is actually my big issue in all of. I'm both a Star Wars as well as a Trek fan as @Jedi Ben can attest. One of the big flaws of the EU was when they had a major character fall and NOT be redeemed just to be different.
I'm cool with Michael having serious issues with the Klingons and the Klingons being strange, dangerous, and violent.
HOWEVER, I think Gene had it right that the goal should ultimately be peace with them not victory in war--which is hard to support when they're eating people.
I'm cool with Michael having serious issues with the Klingons and the Klingons being strange, dangerous, and violent.
HOWEVER, I think Gene had it right that the goal should ultimately be peace with them not victory in war--which is hard to support when they're eating people.
I used to read the EU books as well, are you talking about Jacen Solo by any chance? It's been a while since I've read the books (almost a decade actually) but i remember disliking what they did with his character. It didn't ring true.
As others, including myself have said, Klingons have previously boasted about eating enemies or at least their hearts. Maybe the dehumanisation of the Klingons is intentional. I feel like it would definitely tap into core star trek ideals when the federation eventually reach a peace or at least a cessation of hostilities with a group of people that think starfleet officers are good eating.
And this episode featured a tardigrade creature that murdered an entire starship crew and on-screen straight up killed a major character (Landry), end up being considered innocent and Michael is currently suffering a crisis of conscience over its well-being.
The Klingons eat people. They murder families. They enslave entire civilizations. We're going to see soon their lovely treatment of prisoners. They are the bad guys for a reason. But I think the show will surprise us, and there will be peace achieved. A tentative one, if canon is to be our guide (the cold war erupts again in 11 years). Michael will be involved, maybe Lorca too. And probably not one of the more fanatical Klingons.
Haven't they already established in other series that Klingons gustily eat the hearts of their foes? That they sharpen their teeth because they 'don't take prisoners'? The Federation ostensibly knows this and still makes peace with them eventually. Not that it matters because the writers also emphasized how starving they were, covering their bases.
I do think they will eventually work towards peace with the Klingons in DSC, it may just take time to reach that outcome. In the meantime their directive is to find a way to win the war first.
I do think they will eventually work towards peace with the Klingons in DSC, it may just take time to reach that outcome. In the meantime their directive is to find a way to win the war first.
Generally, my view can best be summarized as this:
"If the Lord of the Rings were Star Trek, you wouldn't make Sauron or Saruman misunderstood. You'd make sure they're portrayed as the vicious awful people they are. You, however, would have Frodo point out the Gondorians have persecuted the orcs for thousands of years while the orcs are just the slaves of Sauron. After causing Sauron to blow up by using the logic of its existence against it, the two sides would be forced to work together."
In other words, I don't object to villainous Klingons but I do want them to be MORE humanized, not less.
Chang is an awesome villain not because he's a monster but because he's understandable even as he has to be stopped.
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This 100%. And yes, I speak from experience.
How do you know that them overcoming their issues won’t also cause the same in Lorca?
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