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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x03 - "Context is for Kings"
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Well this has made my day indeed. I too will double-sock-puppet-like.
T'Kuvma damaged a relay, sat there menacingly in front of one federation Ship, and then opened fire, hours later, once federation reinforcements arrived.
ANY KLINGON with a ship could have done that, but no Klingon had, because the Council who dictated relations with the Federation, laid down the law that no one was allowed to pick that fight, and especially pick that huge fight that would draw every one in... Although the Klingons probably didn't want to fight the humans (etc) because they thought that it would be too easy and unsatisfying, so why bother? Craven weak dipshits.
Nothing unexpected happened.
Nothing magical happened.
T'Kuvma's narration was that Starfleet were the aggressors who were after Klingon space, or wouldn't it be glorious to murder these fu#ks and get murdered by these f#cks reveling in our true nature as indomitable warriors besting worthy opponents.
Nothing was stopping the council from doing that all by themselves, especially considering that they did not believe that the federation were a worthy foe. Killing humans was beneath them. A waste of time and resources that in no imaginable way could ever be satisfying, honourable or glorious.
We know that Klingons are assbackwards, and only respond favorably to insults, but for some reason no one had told Starfleet that yet, and T'Kuvma was aware of the "insulting" language that a human would use (we come in peace) during a (not exactly first) contact situation with his people which would infuriate and antagonize his superiors.
If T'Kuvma had done this to/with an unknown/new species, yes, that would have been a glorious discovery, but the Klingons had known about the Federation for a century, and the Vulcans for a lot longer than that.
T'Kuvma started a war which they were not interested in starting, and they could not honorably turn their back on that war after it started, whether they wanted to fight it or not.
T'Kuvma tricked them.
Oh it was four! Four kids pitching their wits against each other until there is a winner and three losers.
Four applicants compete against each other for a day, and the winner goes to the academy.
When Children fight each other, possibly to the death for a huge reward, that allegorically is Hunger Games, because that's what the movie, Hunger games, is about. One winner and a lot of pint sized corpses.
Have you seen Hunger Games? It could be more about teenagers murdering each other for glory, but it's enough about children murdering each other for glory, that in my head all I see is dead people and Woody Harleson's drinking problem.
Just a note about how racist Wesley's libido is: That Vulcan (in the youtube above) has it going on way more than the Human he was crushing on. Woowza!
Second note: The hot Vulcan (from Wesley's perspective, or mine when I was much younger) is the Computer's voice on Discovery.
What a coincidence.
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Not really. Her 'Starfleet Values' meant she first tried to resolve the situation peacefully - once that failed (and T'Kuvma's motives were fully revealed and the Klingons (after agreeing to a parley) open fire - all bets were off.
She had given 'peaceful resolution' every chance. Once it was clear that was not possible she went into 'soldier' mode and used every/any option available to then defend Federation territory and show the Klingons why they shouldn't mess with the Federation and respect its boarders.
She wasn't a 24th Century TNG Captain like say, Picard; who AFTER he's fired on and his ship takes damage and casualties - he's STILL reluctant to return fire (see TNG - "The Battle")
I don't think the Klingons signed the Geneva convention.
But I actually am very sympathetic to T'Kuvma here as I think he actually assumes the Federation is lying out their teeth because his crappy childhood makes him think anyone who honestly says they're about peace is just trying to get them sideways.
But I actually am very sympathetic to T'Kuvma here as I think he actually assumes the Federation is lying out their teeth because his crappy childhood makes him think anyone who honestly says they're about peace is just trying to get them sideways.
Pink flamingos are with out honorWhat if it was a Klingon that did it?
Bryan Fuller has regularly given his female leads either traditionally male names or male nicknames. "Chuck" on Pushing Daisies, "George" on Dead Like Me
And upon the mere mention of a stereotype you've constructed imaginary sentiments, solely to remind everyone that you're above such things. Well, good for you.
Sarek had a point. It was over 200 years ago, for starters. She may have been right, but for the wrong reason.
There seems to be a disagreement over whether Burnham is responsible for starting the war or T'Kuvma. I don't know why the answer can't be both. T'Kuvma created the situation, clearly. But Burnham defiled the beacon of Kahless and killed "Kahless" in person. Neither of which was endorsed by the captain. If she had been well-behaved that day, would there have been a 6-month-plus war, or would "Binary Stars CLXVI" just be the next "Donatu V" in an already ongoing list of on-again off-again battles?
The "raid" on Donatu V might not have escalated because the Klingons did not wait for over whelming Federation reinforcements to arrive and defend the Federation border, which is why I think that T'Kuvma took some time to pick those binary stars precisely because there were reinforcements on both sides that were very-very closely nearby.
And upon the mere mention of a stereotype you've constructed imaginary sentiments, solely to remind everyone that you're above such things. Well, good for you.
Sarek had a point. It was over 200 years ago, for starters. She may have been right, but for the wrong reason.
There seems to be a disagreement over whether Burnham is responsible for starting the war or T'Kuvma. I don't know why the answer can't be both. T'Kuvma created the situation, clearly. But Burnham defiled the beacon of Kahless and killed "Kahless" in person. Neither of which was endorsed by the captain. If she had been well-behaved that day, would there have been a 6-month-plus war, or would "Binary Stars CLXVI" just be the next "Donatu V" in an already ongoing list of on-again off-again battles?
I dunno if she started it or not, but I do know if Jack Bauer was there, he would have Knocked out the captain, phasered saru, transported over with the bomb on HIM, interrogated Tacoma in a room whilst the entire ships compliment was outside unable to get in, yelled damnit about fifty thousand times, been arrested for being a mutineer while ALSO preventing a war,
They couldn't transport on until the shields were off, which is what the corpsplosion was for.
Rather than transporting on to T'Kuvma's ship, they could have just transported the Klingons off, and kept them in transporter suspension, until it was a more convenient time to revive them.
Rather than transporting on to T'Kuvma's ship, they could have just transported the Klingons off, and kept them in transporter suspension, until it was a more convenient time to revive them.
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Their transporters obviously suck, they probably couldn't do that.
But they could have transported T'Kuvma's warp core into space, or half way through a different ships shields. Which is again unnecessary, despite all the evidence otherwise, one torpedo can blow up a ship, if that ship's shields are down.
That's another technology issue, Lorca was able to do site to site transports within a ship, which they were complaining about as being super difficult during the TNG era.
That's another technology issue, Lorca was able to do site to site transports within a ship, which they were complaining about as being super difficult during the TNG era.
When was s-t-s transport difficult in TNG? Wesley Crusher rigged up a programmed sequence for s-t-s in "The Game." It was simple transporter function that could be activated or de-activated (O'Brien mentions he deactivates the function in "Brothers")
"This skeleton, is that something you killed in battle?"
"No, an old girlfriend."
"No, an old girlfriend."
99% of all problems in Star Trek could be solved with working transporers--which is why they never work.
This is also why I am not a fan of setting a series after nemesis. Too much tech makes these kinds of dilemmas more challenging to write for.
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