Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x03 - "Context is for Kings"

[Guy Gardener]

I also imagine it has something to do with what was mentioned earlier. Would you really want to engage a device designed to breakdown matter to the subatomic level and zip it across the distance of space when the place you're leaving seems to have twisted and manipulated the fabric of said space into something abominable and horrifying? Nah, give me the shuttle. I'll take my chances. lol

It's a time of war, on a classified mission.

If the Klingons get accurate live casualty reports, they can figure out how to kill more UFP citizen/soldiers faster.

If a crewman is reported dead, all information about that death should be highly classified or misdirecting lies.

As far as psi-ops go, vocally reporting dead crew and lost ships that are not dead or lost can lead the Klingons into clever ambushes after they terminally misjudge force deployment.

 

[MvRojo]

- Actually, why didn't the boarding party call for a emergency transport when the beast showed up? Maybe they weren't sure how the transporter would work after the Glenn's accident? Testing it on the beast seems to have worked eventually.

The shuttle with the boarding party was far away from the Discovery, since they were traveling at warp for a bit of time. So they couldn't have been beamed out by the Discovery.

 

[Albinator]

Well, no it's not.

Despite your having offered very thin rationalizations for exaggerating the popularity of this show based on an anecdotal sampling of responses in a forum full of folks predisposed to like it, what little measurable evidence there is indicates that a significant percentage of folks who have watched it - three or four out of every ten - are not sold.

Personal insults aren't at all persuasive.

If you can't see what i'm referring to despite it literally staring you in the face as you respond to me, I can't help you. All I can do is laugh at you.

 

[CorporalClegg]

The reason for that is that over the course of a single movie, it's easy to label it as good/bad/great. But given 7 seasons, quality can vary wildly. Seasons 3-6 of TNG are GREAT. But 1,2, and 7, drag it down to just "very good" as a series.

I wouldn't call any Star Trek "great." As far as I'm concerned, the closest the franchise ever got to true greatness is WOK, but even that had some pretty big problems that are hard to ignore.

In fact, I don't know if I'd even call most Star Trek "good." Hell, most of it is pretty bad. But it's always had that one inexplicable "thing" about it. It was welcoming, and you always knew where you were getting into -- even with the Kelvin films. Sort of like how a child might have a torn up ratty old blanket the he or she chooses over the thick, brand new comforter.

Instead, though, Discovery has decided to throw away that blanket. And try to jump into the trendy mainstream high-drama market. And I'm perfectly fine with that in and of itself. The thing is, it should then expect to be judged accordingly. It's decided to forego regular classes and jump-in with the AP kids. And so far, it's barely passing.

 

[DigificWriter]

I wouldn't call any Star Trek "great." As far as I'm concerned, the closest the franchise ever got to true greatness is WOK, but even that had some pretty big problems that are hard to ignore.

In fact, I don't know if I'd even call most Star Trek "good." Hell, most of it is pretty bad.

If this is how you feel, why do you consider yourself a fan of the franchise, exactly?

 

[Prax]

There wasn't anything even close to this quality by episode 3 in any of the "modern" Trek series.

Whoa.....let's not get ahead of ourselves. We view(and judge) the other series in hindsight. We have the knowledge of what those shows came to be with time and experience. Discovery is shiny and new and exciting. But when those other shows began airing, they were shiny, new, and exciting also. TNG's first season was very popular when it first aired, and watching it(s1) then was a completely different experience than watching it now. Likewise for the other series.

 

[Amaris]

If this is how you feel, why do you consider yourself a fan of the franchise, exactly?

Did you not read what he said? You must have, because you then made sure to cut it from your reply.

I wouldn't call any Star Trek "great." As far as I'm concerned, the closest the franchise ever got to true greatness is WOK, but even that had some pretty big problems that are hard to ignore.

In fact, I don't know if I'd even call most Star Trek "good." Hell, most of it is pretty bad. But it's always had that one inexplicable "thing" about it. It was welcoming, and you always knew where you were getting into -- even with the Kelvin films. Sort of like how a child might have a torn up ratty old blanket the he or she chooses over the thick, brand new comforter.

Instead, though, Discovery has decided to throw away that blanket. And try to jump into the trendy mainstream high-drama market. And I'm perfectly fine with that in and of itself. The thing is, it should then expect to be judged accordingly. It's decided to forego regular classes and jump-in with the AP kids. And so far, it's barely passing.

Bolded, underlined, italicized for your convenience. That and he doesn't have to justify anything to you.

 

[Mudd]

If you can't see what i'm referring to despite it literally staring you in the face as you respond to me, I can't help you. All I can do is laugh at you.

You're not laughing.

 

[Albinator]

Here's a good example of "hater spamming"-- in an online poll I saw that asked "which show are you watching, The Orville, Discovery, or BOTH?" The Orville lead Discovery by a massive 35 points.

Yet all viewership statistics we've seen have shown them drawing nearly identical numbers across broadcast and online.

 

[Albinator]

You're not laughing.

I click my heels and salute you, sir.

 

[Amaris]

Here's a good example of "hater spamming"-- in an online poll I saw that asked "which show are you watching, The Orville, Discovery, or BOTH?" The Orville lead Discovery by a massive 35 points.

Yet all viewership statistics we've seen have shown them drawing nearly identical numbers across broadcast and online.

That's not hater spamming, that's a tally of people who prefer The Orville instead of Discovery based on that sample group.

 

[Dr. Bashirs protege]

If this is how you feel, why do you consider yourself a fan of the franchise, exactly?

To be fair, just between the 14 seasons of ds9 and TNG which are considered the most well recieved spinoffs, atleast critically. You are looking at about five bad seasons, out of 14. I mean love ds9, and sometimes I've even used a viewing guide lol.

 

[Vger23]

Whoa.....let's not get ahead of ourselves. We view(and judge) the other series in hindsight. We have the knowledge of what those shows came to be with time and experience. Discovery is shiny and new and exciting. But when those other shows began airing, they were shiny, new, and exciting also. TNG's first season was very popular when it first aired, and watching it(s1) then was a completely different experience than watching it now. Likewise for the other series.

I get what you're trying to say, but I can remember quite clearly the experience of watching every one of the first few episodes of each of the spinoff series as they aired.

I have never been as encouraged with 3 hours in a row of any of the franchise's "modern" series as I have with DSC's first 3 hours. Only DS9 came close because I loved The Emissary, but thoroughly disliked the Past Prologue episode that followed.

 

[Long Syntax]

Mark my words: this show is going to slowly win everyone over by the end of the season. It may not be what people thought they wanted, but sometimes, as Steve Jobs used to say, you have to give people what they want before they know they want it.

Maybe this is a clandestine account Aaron Harberts uses to lurk in trekbbs

 

[Albinator]

That's not hater spamming, that's a tally of people who prefer The Orville instead of Discovery based on that sample group.

Oh boy, it's pretty clear fans on this site can't read or lack crucial brain cells. It was a viewership poll, not which you preferred.

 

[Dr. Bashirs protege]

That's not hater spamming, that's a tally of people who prefer The Orville instead of Discovery based on that sample group.

Why can't someone honestly like both. The only SciFi rivalry that ever "made sense" to me, and I say "made sense" very loosely was between ds9 and Babylon 5. Even that was because of some rather.....interesting allegations.

 

[Albinator]

Maybe this is a clandestine account Aaron Harberts uses to lurk in trekbbs

Ah the classic "he likes it so it must be the creator" comment. It's almost like Godwin's Law.

 

[Mudd]

Here's a good example of "hater spamming"-- in an online poll I saw that asked "which show are you watching, The Orville, Discovery, or BOTH?" The Orville lead Discovery by a massive 35 points.

Yet all viewership statistics we've seen have shown them drawing nearly identical numbers across broadcast and online.

People who like The Orville better responding to an online poll in greater numbers than people who like Discovery has nothing to do with either hate or spam. They're just expressing support of something they like.

You need to work a lot harder to shore up your conspiracy theory, here. Anyone can take it to pieces with little effort.

If you are that determined to overanalyze matters without evidence, you might ask yourself instead why Discovery fans don't respond to those polls in greater numbers.

 

[Albinator]

People who like The Orville better responding to an online poll in greater numbers than people who like Discovery has nothing to do with either hate or spam.

You need to work a lot harder to shore up your conspiracy theory, here. Anyone can see through it.

READ WHAT I WROTE HOW HARD IS IT. This is the thickest group of fans i've ever encountered. I want to beat you over the head with your own stupidity.

 

[mattman8907]

im like most people this should've been the pilot. it felt right.