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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x03 - "Context is for Kings"

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I like the new show but I won't blindly defend it and label all critics both professional and in the fanbase as having a sinister agenda to bring the series crashing down. I gave tonight's episode a 9 rating because I genuinely liked it, but I won't even remotely pretend the series doesn't have aesthetic and storytelling problems that need to be resolved if it wants to become great and not just good.

there is plenty of legitimate criticism and fair subjective dislike being trotted out, particularly on this site, where ( generally ) reasonable fans are voicing their opinions.

But plenty of other places i've seen are littered with completely biased hate spewed at it, from fans who have made it their mission since before it started shooting to dislike the show.
 
I like the new show but I won't blindly defend it and label all critics both professional and in the fanbase as having a sinister agenda to bring the series crashing down. I gave tonight's episode a 9 rating because I genuinely liked it, but I won't even remotely pretend the series doesn't have aesthetic and storytelling problems that need to be resolved if it wants to become great and not just good.

"Great" is an extraordinarily high bar that only one Trek series has achieved in my opinion. Given the highly limited number of shows I give a crap about these days...I'll settle for "good" and hope but not expect "great."
 
If I recall correctly, the area they were in was heavily shielded, preventing transport.

You're right. I had forgotten about that. But I don't think the entire ship was shielded, just engineering (or something like that). Before they got there, or after they left, they could have called for transport, but I guess they were close enough to the shuttlebay that it wasn't to hard to get there. I wonder (but doubt) if there will be an repercussions for losing that one security redshirt. Probably not given the latitude Starfleet has apparently given Lorca for his mission; but it would be nice to acknowledge in this "grittier" Star Trek.
 
5/10

Fair to middlin. Just like the first two. We had already heard that the scale and FX drop off from the first two episodes. Breath scan is lame. But I guess DNA scan would have made it harder for Burnham to break into the lab. The spores seemed like midichlorians, Omega or red matter. It's just another techno-magic-babble plot device. And we had super-transporters in NuTrek so why not super-warp? It's a reimagination anyway, so let them do whatever they like. Overall it was a little too slow and boring to me. The phaser proof critter felt like it was supposed to be cutting edge tension. But for me, it didn't work. Crew is douchey and unlikeable, but we are seeing them thru the lens of Burnhams interactions with them, so lets see about that long term. Is Lorca supposed to be mysterious, and maybe have a little dark side? That's what they not very subtly try to convey, but...blah. Looking forward to Orville Ep5.
 
You're right. I had forgotten about that. But I don't think the entire ship was shielded, just engineering (or something like that). Before they got there, or after they left, they could have called for transport, but I guess they were close enough to the shuttlebay that it wasn't to hard to get there. I wonder (but doubt) if there will be an repercussions for losing that one security redshirt. Probably not given the latitude Starfleet has apparently given Lorca for his mission; but it would be nice to acknowledge in this "grittier" Star Trek.
I also imagine it has something to do with what was mentioned earlier. Would you really want to engage a device designed to breakdown matter to the subatomic level and zip it across the distance of space when the place you're leaving seems to have twisted and manipulated the fabric of said space into something abominable and horrifying? Nah, give me the shuttle. I'll take my chances. lol
 
"Great" is an extraordinarily high bar that only one Trek series has achieved in my opinion. Given the highly limited number of shows I give a crap about these days...I'll settle for "good" and hope but not expect "great."

So much this. Ds9 is my favourite trek of all time and I cannot in good cincious tell anyone objectively that it is great. Those first two seasons are just horrendous. Ironically, trek has more movies that hold up as great than series. Ironic just because trek has always been borne of tv rather than film.
 
Why stick with it if you think it's a joke, though? Especially if you have to pay $ for it...
Because it's Star Trek. Because I still see a lot of potential and am hoping it gets better.

And I'm not really paying for it in that I had CBSAA already.

"Great" is an extraordinarily high bar that only one Trek series has achieved in my opinion. Given the highly limited number of shows I give a crap about these days...I'll settle for "good" and hope but not expect "great."
See. Given what they've spent, and how long it's been in development I do expect great. So far it's just been okay.
 
So much this. Ds9 is my favourite trek of all time and I cannot in good cincious tell anyone objectively that it is great. Those first two seasons are just horrendous. Ironically, trek has more movies that hold up as great than series. Ironic just because trek has always been borne of tv rather than film.

The reason for that is that over the course of a single movie, it's easy to label it as good/bad/great. But given 7 seasons, quality can vary wildly. Seasons 3-6 of TNG are GREAT. But 1,2, and 7, drag it down to just "very good" as a series.
 
There really isn't... and I say that as a HUGE fan of BSG.
And I say as some who grew tired of BSG and is really liking DSC, there is. They aren't the same show, but there is commonality. And again much more than between a half hour sitcom about nerds and a hour long fantasy drama.
 
That's not the minority I was referring to. I know it's tough with your limited capacity, but do try and keep up: you're opinion is in the bottom 10%.

Well, no it's not.

Despite your having offered very thin rationalizations for exaggerating the popularity of this show based on an anecdotal sampling of responses in a forum full of folks predisposed to like it, what little measurable evidence there is indicates that a significant percentage of folks who have watched it - three or four out of every ten - are not sold.

Personal insults aren't at all persuasive.
 
And I say as some who grew tired of BSG and is really liking DSC, there is. They aren't the same show, but there is commonality. And again much more than between a half hour sitcom about nerds and a hour long fantasy drama.

We're going to have to just disagree and go on with our lives.
 
After watching this episode, I feel they have messed up with the first two episodes. In film making they say start late and end early, and if they had used this episode as the pilot, they would have done that. The first two episodes really added nothing except unnecessary backstory that could have been revealed later in a much more dramatic way without dragging down the series from the start.
 
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