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Fear the Walking Dead Season 3 discussion and spoilers.

How excited am i for season 3 of Fear the Walking Dead?

  • Extremely excited

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Moderately interested

    Votes: 11 78.6%
  • Not interested

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • I hate it so much I am just trolling

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Wait, there's another Walking Dead shwo on the air?

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  • Total voters
    14
Yeah, I agree , crazy episode that disappoints.

I am disappointed that the ranch didn't fall...but looks like the fall won't happen until September.

Which--if it does fall--will be a rinse and repeat of TWD, where the series leads end up homeless.

So does Anthrax REALLy work like it did on the show? ANd would Nick have survived so easily?

No. Basic antibiotics (did the Ottos mention any particular drug class?) has no effect on the effect of anthrax ingestion. Commonly, it takes up to 2 months of constant antibiotic treatment with Doxycycline (or other in that drug class) or Ciprofloxacin to combat the effects. While Walker blurted something about Nick's age being in his favor, the response to treatment for a victim of anthrax also benefits from general good health, and considering Nick's system was compromised by constant drug abuse (up to a point fairly recently in series timeline), he is not the healthiest candidate in the world. In short, Nick should be dead, not getting up shooting people after only a few hours.

I like the Native American grievances coming into play, as a REAL reason to fight, and the opportunity, away from the courts, that justice COULD be served. The way they worked it this season, we had some good moral ambiguity of both sides. But instead, in one fell swoop, make Jeremiah just a standard racist, against both Native Americans AND Mexicans. Oh, AND a murderer. It made it too easy to side completely with Walker.

Of course--the "one fell swoop" is par for the course for many current TV productions, as if one side are a band of angels, and the other must be the face of pure evil. Then again, any series where half of the main characters are murderers (Madison, Nick and Daniel) and still supposed to be "heroes," then you know there's a problem with the worldviews of the showrunners.

With STrand...according to the actor on Talking Dead, this incident was to show how Strand was leaving the old world behind....which, in a way, is stupid. I liked his flair of wearing a suit in the APocalypse, and his manipulations seem like a good skill in this world.

He tried his manipulation with the water criminals, and it failed miserably. I think Strand changing his ways has much to do with realizing that looking to play angles is a losing game creating more enemies than allies. I do hope he is not just wandering, but has a showdown with Daniel, as that character--like the Clark family--need to answer for their cutthroat BS.

ANd what's rally crazy -- setting this all on fire at night. Yeah, visually cool (Korean historical dramas have fights with flaming arrows for the same reason), but just dumb. I mean...sleep through the night on the Abigail, and THEN , in the DAYLIGHT, burn the ship...and as you walk away, you can look out for Walkers.

Well, you hit it on the head--it was about the visual, rather than the practical--and another way of Strand "exorcizing" his past.

Also, how often does the cosmonaut orbit the earth? Couldn't he caluculate the next time he'd fly over? I hope

That cosmonaut business may never go anywhere. It almost seems like they needed to give the impression that Strand (or anyone else) might meet the man (or whoever he really is) at some point in the future, but the way this series is going, you might not be able to count on it.
 
Which--if it does fall--will be a rinse and repeat of TWD, where the series leads end up homeless.
"Hopefully" they'll just get kicked out...
No. Basic antibiotics (did the Ottos mention any particular drug class?) has no effect on the effect of anthrax ingestion. Commonly, it takes up to 2 months of constant antibiotic treatment with Doxycycline (or other in that drug class) or Ciprofloxacin to combat the effects. While Walker blurted something about Nick's age being in his favor, the response to treatment for a victim of anthrax also benefits from general good health, and considering Nick's system was compromised by constant drug abuse (up to a point fairly recently in series timeline), he is not the healthiest candidate in the world. In short, Nick should be dead, not getting up shooting people after only a few hours.
Would some other drug, like an opioid or heroin have worked? Nick, having experience in drug withdrawal, would be a realistic candidate at that point for quick recovery. (And maybe even sensing something was wrong while drinking the coffee, and slowed intake).

Ah well...

Of course--the "one fell swoop" is par for the course for many current TV productions, as if one side are a band of angels, and the other must be the face of pure evil. Then again, any series where half of the main characters are murderers (Madison, Nick and Daniel) and still supposed to be "heroes," then you know there's a problem with the worldviews of the showrunners.
But it seems like the writers of the finale didn't even watch/read the previous episodes of the season. Walker was pretty vicious. I don't mind him having a compassionate side at all...but wish Otto wasn't revealed to be so evil. Troy should've have died waaaaay before Jeremiah. (ANd unfortunately Jake will most likely die. I don't think they will rinse and repeat Alicia leaving ANOTHER semi-decent boyfriend).

He tried his manipulation with the water criminals, and it failed miserably. I think Strand changing his ways has much to do with realizing that looking to play angles is a losing game creating more enemies than allies. I do hope he is not just wandering, but has a showdown with Daniel, as that character--like the Clark family--need to answer for their cutthroat BS.
I don't want a "final showdown" between Strand and Daniel...but certainly "temporary" one will be great.


Strand didn't seem to have a problem with murder before...he just wanted others to do the dirty work.

It will be interesting to see how both Strand and Daniel grow (if the show lasts long enough).

I DID appreciate Alicia giving Madison a verbal smackdown. Hopefully that grows over time.

That cosmonaut business may never go anywhere. It almost seems like they needed to give the impression that Strand (or anyone else) might meet the man (or whoever he really is) at some point in the future, but the way this series is going, you might not be able to count on it.

Oh, and I need to watch this season's "webisodes" to remind myself of those characters... shouldn't we have seen them by now?

I like the concept of the webisodes, but it's bogus last season when we saw her for like 10 minutes, and NOT in a pivotal role.

The webisodes could be great background for a character...but are they a waste again?
 
I like the Native American grievances coming into play, as a REAL reason to fight, and the opportunity, away from the courts, that justice COULD be served. But instead, in one fell swoop, make Jeremiah just a standard racist, against both Native Americans AND Mexicans. Oh, AND a murderer. It made it too easy to side completely with Walker.

Walker is still the coolest guy we've seen yet from this genre.

Now I might have made Jeremiah a bit more interesting. If I were he--I would have not just shot myself--but went to Walker myself.

I was actually more angry at Madison. The Otto family did pay money and had a deed (sorry Chief Seattle--but property taxes and all). Madison went out of her way to ruin things with the old momma-bear stunt. Not even Jeremiah did that.

Burning down teepees?
Ugh.

I guess it was like the old west. Everyone poor and fighting for resources

The way they worked it this season, we had some good moral ambiguity of both sides.

Ironically, many Native Americans got along well with the Confederacy. Many Buffalo Soldiers who tamed the West helped Sherman in his other devastating move. Then too some Native Americans owned slaves--and some Buffalo Soldiers remembered this.

And that isn't even mentioning Kennewick Man--or the loss of megafauna., a crime against nature herself done by folks who really thought they were in harmony with Nature.

I can see Jeremiah (as a fissil hunter) pointing out that maybe that's why the Great Spirit allowed the Ottos.

Some things that look a crime can be a punishment

Convenient cutting down of numbers with convenient poisoned food/water, courtesy of Ophelia. With reduced numbers--especially among the guards--it will make it easy for the untrained Clark family to take over.

Tactically useful for them. On a strategic level? Not smart.

Remember--the zombie outbreak is a blow to genetic diversity the likes of which we haven't seen since Toba went up. An evolutionary bottleneck--a choke point that can only tighten up anytime one of the living is killed--for whatever reason.

Except for Troy, of course. We don't need that crazy in the gene pool.

Had I been arguing with Walker--I might have mentioned all this--and how we have a chance for everybody to get off on the right foot this time. No need to shed new blood over the same old arguments.

If Jeremiah really wanted to hurt Walker--all that needed to be done was to show him a photograph of Madison's late husband.

"When you shot that chopper down--you thought you were just sniping at us dime a dozen rednecks right? But the man you hit was Māori--He was from the First People too."

That knowledge will probably grieve Qaletaqa Walker.greatly--for he is a man of justice.

Some things that look a punishment can be a crime.

 
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Is it me or does any of that land really seem like it's worth fighting for? It seemed like lots of open land a small fence and a exposed gas station. How zombies haven't overrun both groups is a mystery. The military base in season opener looked more secure than both places, though out in the middle of nowhere means It might be hard to go search for food and water.

Jason
 
It's tough terrain to walk on.

I would think that zombies--being enervated--would walk downhill if no prey is within easy reach.

If that is a case--a good way to model any possible zombie herds would be to look at maps of floodplains, lahar paths--and other gifts from cartography/geology

That's what I liked about some scenes of World War Z. The herds almost looked like pyroclastic flows...
 
Is it me or does any of that land really seem like it's worth fighting for? It seemed like lots of open land a small fence and a exposed gas station. How zombies haven't overrun both groups is a mystery. The military base in season opener looked more secure than both places, though out in the middle of nowhere means It might be hard to go search for food and water.

Jason

Walker's place is basically around the reservation his people had pre-apocalypse. So not "valuable" in terms of resources...just that it's home and relatively safe.

Otto's have a source of water at their place, in addition to the storage they have collected pre-apocalypse. So it's valuable for that, and relatively safe when it comes to Walkers.


Walkers/infected haven't over rrun because they are so remote, and the desert to expansive that there is plenty of time to kill them, if they even wandered that far.
 
Walker's place is basically around the reservation his people had pre-apocalypse. So not "valuable" in terms of resources...just that it's home and relatively safe.

Otto's have a source of water at their place, in addition to the storage they have collected pre-apocalypse. So it's valuable for that, and relatively safe when it comes to Walkers.


Walkers/infected haven't over rrun because they are so remote, and the desert to expansive that there is plenty of time to kill them, if they even wandered that far.

Isn't this kind of like the mindset though were RIck and everyone felt Herschel's farm would be a safe place? Seems to me that walls are really the only safe bet when it comes to security. Maybe big buidings as well such as the Prision or that factory that Negan is in charge of.

I wonder if mountains though would be a good place to go. Zombies can't climb and you can likely find water and things to hunt for food or grow.

Jason
 
I'm curious about the cosmonaut. Obviously he didn't go up when the flu was going around, or else the mission might have been scrapped. So, when the cosmonaut dies (supposing he's intact, and it's not the shuttle or pod or station he's on breaking up in reentry), will said cosmonaut turn?
 
Did anyone even notice it is BACK ON? I just HAPPENED to see that new episodes were airing tonight. I knew about the Season 8 The Walking Dead preview show, but tuned out before they mentioned Fear returning. Did they even advertise its return anywhere else???

By the way, i would LOVE to see one of Otto's survival kits make an appearance in the main show.
 
The only reason I knew it was on tonight is because I was checking to make sure my DVR was going to record Rick and Morty. It's on there, but I really have no desire to watch it. I guess if I get bored enough I'll turn it on :shrug:
 
Completely missed it because I didn't see any advertising saying "Hey, We're Back!"

Gonna see if it's up on OnDemand tonight and watch it if possible. Damn AMC....

Q2
 
Well, I watched about half of it and kept nodding off for the second half. Not too promising for a mid-season premiere. Also, does anybody get the feeling that AMC is trying to put this show out of its misery as quick as possible? The first two episode are slapped together for the premiere, four regular episodes, then slap the last two together for the finale?
 
Well, I watched about half of it and kept nodding off for the second half. Not too promising for a mid-season premiere. Also, does anybody get the feeling that AMC is trying to put this show out of its misery as quick as possible? The first two episode are slapped together for the premiere, four regular episodes, then slap the last two together for the finale?
Maybe...it looks like the actor needs to have hs own sign with #WhereIsTobias

It'd be nice if some of those characters appeared on the main show. At the very least, Otto's survival kit.

Any word on renewal (or ratings)
 
OK, so they can bring back Tobias, kill off Madison's family, and get Tobias and Strand and Daniel and the first webisode star over to the TWD area as a finale road trip that takes months to finish. Cool.

Isn't the character who starred in that webisode dead? Or was there a different one before the thing with the airplane?
 
Well, I watched about half of it and kept nodding off for the second half. Not too promising for a mid-season premiere. Also, does anybody get the feeling that AMC is trying to put this show out of its misery as quick as possible? The first two episode are slapped together for the premiere, four regular episodes, then slap the last two together for the finale?

The series is a sociopolitical soapbox going in one, direction. There's no horror to be found here at all. The zombies have been pushed so far in the background that they're no better than an extra who works once a season.

About AMC's plans, as you see in The Wormhole's links, its renewed for another season, but what is the series' purpose? A pack of extremely dysfunctional people? Check. Morally/ethically challenged people? Check. So-called protagonists who do not inspire audiences to root for them, but in many cases (particularly season 3A) root against them? Check. Its as though TWD staff (Kirkman Hurd and Nicotero) know TWD will always be ignored for the bigger Emmy nominations and/or critical love, so in an attempt to dip into the abused "relevance" genre, in comes FTWD, where its an out-of-the-gates series of sociopolitical "statements" (believed to be Emmy friendly) tossed against the wall to see what sticks, but no exploration of the origin of the ZA, or the fall of a larger society (not just in L.A.)..
 
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