Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7

[Vandervecken]

The Hound was pretty clearly telling/reminding his brother that they have unfinished business that they will settle at a later date.

And you don't think that battle would have been joined then and there, if that had been the case?

The Hound's words were:

"Remember me? Yeah ya do. You're even fucking uglier than I am now. What'd they do to you? Doesn't matter. It's not how it ends for you, brother. You know who's coming for you. You've always known."

That doesn't sound like he's talking about himself, to me.

 

[Nerys Myk]

And you don't think that battle would have been joined then and there, if that had been the case?

The Hound's words were:

"Remember me? Yeah ya do. You're even fucking uglier than I am now. What'd they do to you? Doesn't matter. It's not how it ends for you, brother. You know who's coming for you. You've always known."

That doesn't sound like he's talking about himself, to me.

Arya?

 

[Snaploud]

It sounds to me like the Hound was saying he was going to kill the Mountain. He just recognized that the fight with the dead needed to be first priority.

As for the Mountain: don't feel too sorry for the guy. He supposedly raped Elia Martel and killed her two little children.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Cake?

Better than death.

 

[sidious618]

Cersei seems pregnant to me. I would not be surprised if Dany becomes pregnant, mirroring Cersei's pregnancy since the kids would both be products of incest.

 

[Snaploud]

I don't know if Cersei is actually pregnant, but I am of the opinion that Cersei believes she is pregnant.

 

[Venardhi]

Cersei seems pregnant to me. I would not be surprised if Dany becomes pregnant, mirroring Cersei's pregnancy since the kids would both be products of incest.

"Incest" outside of immediate family (parents and siblings) is really much more of a grey area that varies a lot by time and culture. Since the Westerosi seem fine with cousins boning down, I don't see how anyone can say with confidence that they would draw the line at an Aunt and Nephew.

 

[cultcross]

Well aunt and nephew have one fewer unique DNA providers than cousins, but one more than full siblings, so they are a step more removed than Cersei and Jamie. But you're right, we don't know what the reaction will be. I expect, given the setup so far, that nobody will much care. I think it's reasonably obvious that they're setting up Jon and Dany as the eventual 'winners' (with the possibility of a shocking twist) and it would be rather weird to have them find it gross, and then crack on anyway. I think the purpose of the reveal is that Jon is half Targaryen and therefore any child with Dany would be a true Targaryen heir and unambiguously heir to the throne.

 

[Venardhi]

That would be my read. For the show anyways. I expect Jon and Dany will end up together in the books as well for similar reasons, but not quite so romantically or neatly as the show is leaning.

 

[dahj]

Arya?

He is on the list...

 

[Myko]

"Always known" implies it's someone who Gregor has known for a long time, so not Arya whom he met at most 7 years ago.

 

[Beagleman]

When the Night king flew over the wreckage of the wall we saw Viserion had quite a few large holes in his wings, shouldnt that make Drogon and Rhaegal manuever and fly faster?

Nearly skeletal wights are running, jumping, etc, so real world physics don't seem to pose to much of a problem... magic.

 

[Reverend]

Well aunt and nephew have one fewer unique DNA providers than cousins, but one more than full siblings, so they are a step more removed than Cersei and Jamie. But you're right, we don't know what the reaction will be. I expect, given the setup so far, that nobody will much care. I think it's reasonably obvious that they're setting up Jon and Dany as the eventual 'winners' (with the possibility of a shocking twist) and it would be rather weird to have them find it gross, and then crack on anyway. I think the purpose of the reveal is that Jon is half Targaryen and therefore any child with Dany would be a true Targaryen heir and unambiguously heir to the throne.

though I'd say the cross generational nature carries more inherent stigma than just the incest on it's own, whatever Westerosi attitudes may be about nephews bumping uglies with their aunts, it's all a bit moot if nobody actually believes they're related.
From an outsider's perspective it's going to seem like a bit of a stretch as while one might accept that Rhegar married Lysa and that the kidnapping story was a case of history being written by the victors, there's nothing that directly connects the bastard baby Jon Snow with the Tower of Joy but the creepy utterings of crippled teenager who's clearly spent too much time in the wilderness and *maybe* the testimony of one of his sworn bannermen. The former can be easily dismissed, while the latter is politically suspect.

That's all assuming that he'd want anyone to even know about this, because at this point it'd only complicate matters. If she's not instantly convinced, Daenerys seems likely to take this claim as a brazen betrayal and an attempt to usurp her claim to the throne.

 

[Venardhi]

Jon already swore fealty to her. He isn't likely to go back on that because he finds out he has a better claim to a throne he has shown zero interest in sitting.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Spoiler

Yep, she even commented on how she "killed millions of his children" - I'm assuming by eating his sperm. GRRM's writing is quite...descriptive...in many ways.

I believe it was thought in the late 17th century that human sperm contained a complete homunculus that only required the mother to obtain nourishment. However, knowledge of the existence of spermatozoa requires a decent quality microscope and I haven't seen any sign of telescopes or microscopes in GoT. They must be stored in the same place as the magic teleporter and raven destination programmer.

 

[Reverend]

Jon already swore fealty to her. He isn't likely to go back on that because he finds out he has a better claim to a throne he has shown zero interest in sitting.

I know that and you know that and we all know that....but that's not the point.
The point is if Jon goes up to Daenerys and says something to the effect of "Hey, funny story: it turns out I'm your elder brother's oldest living true-born son" it's basically the same as saying "I have a more legitimate claim to the iron throne than you do."
Because Jon knows what that sounds like, he may be reticent to speak up. But Jon being Jon, he's going to struggle with it and be terrible at hiding that he's struggling with something , which is liable to put Daenerys on edge, maybe even suspicious. Eventually it'll come to a head and by that point it may have already turned the relationship sour.

So yeah, potential problems aplenty.

 

[Venardhi]

I can see where you're coming from but at this point I think it would be just as out of character for Dany to go all Dracarys over the revelation if Jon reveals it in a way that is at all consistent with his character so far. She trusts him more than she does just about anyone else advising her. If he says he doesn't want the throne, she has no reason to doubt him.

 

[Captaindemotion]

The director of Ep 7 has spoken about the shot of Tyrion looking at the door (clue: he doesn't view it as romantic pining): http://screencrush.com/game-of-thrones-tyrion-daenerys-jealous/

 

[The Nth Doctor]

That's the most sensible explanation (as already discussed here) and it's far better than romantic pining or a guilty conscience.

 

[Mr Awe]

Jon already swore fealty to her. He isn't likely to go back on that because he finds out he has a better claim to a throne he has shown zero interest in sitting.

Jon may not want it, but what about everyone else who finds out? Especially because Jon isn't a foreign invader.

I've also never envisioned Dany actually winning the throne, at least not for long. It wouldn't be in Dany's nature to abdicate, but it would be in Jon's. Taken collectively, I'm guessing that at some point Jon abdicates to throw his support behind some form of democracy.