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Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7

Hi uncle benjen. Er, bye uncle benjen? That's a second implausible rescue for Jon, after gendry's sprint and Dany's supersonic dragons.

I don't actually mind though. The increased pace, battles and dragonning of this season are exactly what I'd want from this show in its final years.
 
They would have to have the tremendous good fortune of the dragon's head resting in just the right way. Because the head could've been resting in so many different positions that would've made it practically impossible to get the chain loop around its head, without shifting the body.
Dude, you are waaaaaay over-thinking this in a show with zombie ice bears.
 
Huh? I'm fine with either of the possibilities you mention above occurring, but why would it be a "jump the shark" moment if say Tyrion or Jaime or even Sansa (less likely) were to do the deed instead? With Tyrion and Jaime you already have the prophecy that Cersei would be killed by a "younger brother" at play (and while Jaime is only minutes younger, it still counts), and there's the added drama of longstanding revenge on Tyrion's part and Jaime possibly having to kill the woman he loves and become the Queenslayer to save the city and/or Westeros from the Mad Queen. As far as Sansa goes, I could see her becoming ruthless in the style of Olenna and poisoning Cersei's wine in revenge or to free the North from her machinations. I don't see how any of those would be jump the shark assassins.

For all that they hate Cersei, neither Tyrion nor Sansa are the type to physically kill her or contemplate killing her, which, of that trio you mentioned, leaves Jaime... and, contrary to what many fans think or want to think, his devotion to Cersei has not wavered a single iota thus far on the show, which is why I describe the possibility of him killing her as a "jump the shark" moment.
 
For all that they hate Cersei, neither Tyrion nor Sansa are the type to physically kill her or contemplate killing her, which, of that trio you mentioned, leaves Jaime... and, contrary to what many fans think or want to think, his devotion to Cersei has not wavered a single iota thus far on the show, which is why I describe the possibility of him killing her as a "jump the shark" moment.
Jamie has definately had looks like "oh damn this lady is crazy" but I don't know if he could actually kill her
 
Hi uncle benjen. Er, bye uncle benjen? That's a second implausible rescue for Jon, after gendry's sprint and Dany's supersonic dragons.

That one's actually the most plausible, at least within the in-universe rules, because Benjen has some mind connection with the Three-Eyed Raven, and Bran could have sent him the message instantly without sprinting or ravens or dragons ;)
 
For all that they hate Cersei, neither Tyrion nor Sansa are the type to physically kill her or contemplate killing her, which, of that trio you mentioned, leaves Jaime... and, contrary to what many fans think or want to think, his devotion to Cersei has not wavered a single iota thus far on the show, which is why I describe the possibility of him killing her as a "jump the shark" moment.
Man, even after being the last person on the planet who thought Jon Snow wasn't coming back from the dead and not realizing who the Man in Black was on Westworld, and insultingly shouting down everyone else who had the right answer in both cases, you've still got that whole "I know more than everyone else" thing going on, don't you? It's not that you have your theories and preferences, everyone does that and it's fine, it's the lack of humility and the finality of your predictions, as if they're 100% guaranteed to come true and there's no possibility of you being wrong, when you don't exactly have a great track record in that regard, even when it comes to things that were completely obvious to most fans.

Now, I'm not saying Jaime killing Cersei is completely obvious and a guarantee. Not by a longshot. But saying there's zero chance of it happening is hogwash. The parallels between him being the Kingslayer and killing the Mad King at great personal cost to his honor and standing and possibly having to make the same decision regarding a completely unhinged Cersei at the cost of the love of his life are too juicy to ignore from a tragic and dramatic standpoint. If you missed the worried glances he gave her in last season's finale (and several times this season) when she took the Iron Throne for herself after blowing up the Great Sept (and by extension Tommin's suicide) then you weren't paying attention, because that was specifically meant to invoke Jaime's concern with the Mad King blowing up King's Landing with Wildfire. And before Olenna went full ice queen and confessed to murdering Joffrey, you could see that recognized the truth in her words about how dangerous Cersei was.

Whether or not he will overcome his love and devotion to her if she goes too far is not at all clear-cut, but it's not as out of the realm of possibility as you make it out to be. There's definitely some hesitation in Jaime's eyes and voice when he see what Cersei has become, regardless of what he tells others like Edmure Tully.

Tyrion killed Shae, albeit as much in self-defense as in anger. Tyrion is not the type to kill typically, but he's capable, and Cersei would certainly be at the top of his list of deserving targets. Plus, I did say he might also use paid help like Bronn to do the job.

I could absolutely see Sansa develop into a Lady Ollenna type; smart as a whip, and absolutely ruthless and cunning when it comes to getting what she wants or defending her family. She's the most unlikely candidate for killing Cersei in my mind, but it's again not out of the realm of possibility, and she certainly has motive. Plus, poisoning would be a bit of karmic justice after she was blamed for poisoning Joffrey.
 
Stating that Jaime killing Cersei has zero chance of happening isn't "hogwash" because it's based on the show and the way that it has presented their relationship... and ONLY on the show and the way it has presented their relationship.

Literally one episode before Jaime arrived back in King's Landing at the end of Season 6, he told The Blackfish that he'd burn down the entire world for Cersei... so for him to come back and be appalled by the fact that she did exactly what he said HE would be willing to do himself is so totally out-of-character so as to be a "jump the shark" moment unto itself.

It could be argued that Jaime doesn't entirely understand Cersei's thought processes the way he used to, but that's a far cry from believing that he thinks she's gone crazy, and it's also a far cry from suggesting/believing, based only on the way that the show has presented their relationship and their interactions and behavior up to this current point in time, that his loyalty to her is so shaky that something she said or did could or would cause him to repeat the actions he took in ending Aerys Targaryen's reign and committing regicide.

I also disagree with you with regards to Sansa's characterization and whether or not she'd be willing to kill Cersei, directly or indirectly, particularly after this most recent episode and her reaction to Arya telling her about killing people and taking their faces.

Edit: Maybe I ought to at least entertain the notion that the show could once again do something that there was no setup or actual onscreen precedence for, but I'm afraid that if I do, it will mar my enjoyment going forward.
 
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Stating that Jaime killing Cersei has zero chance of happening isn't "hogwash" because it's based on the show and the way that it has presented their relationship... and ONLY on the show and the way it has presented their relationship.
Jaime's not even my favorite possibility for taking down Cersei, but now I want it to be him just to see what it takes for you to get some humility after being so massively wrong so many times.
 
Right before you posted, I added an addendum to my post about possibly at least entertaining the thought of the show having Jaime kill Cersei even though it goes completely against everything that they've set up for the entirety of the series in regards to his character and their relationship to and with each other, but am afraid that if I do, it will mar my ability to enjoy the remainder of the series, so, in the interest of disclosure and keeping the peace, I'm going to admit that the possibility of this happening exists while also maintaining that, if it did, it would be a massive "jump the shark" moment that would utterly destroy the show because of how monumentally out-of-left-field it would be and how monumentally it would contradict everything that they've established up to this point.
 
Right, while we're on the subject of predictions, Bran has been (literally) sitting on his ass and not giving any helpful or useful information to anyone this whole season (except possibly off-screen sending Benjen to save Jon). What are the odds that he'll finally say something in the finale, screw up Littlefinger's Arya/Sansa scheme, maybe snitch on Cersei's treachery plans?
 
I'm going to admit that the possibility of this happening exists while also maintaining that, if it did, it would be a massive "jump the shark" moment that would utterly destroy the show because of how monumentally out-of-left-field it would be and how monumentally it would contradict everything that they've established up to this point.
Except for the "Oh no, she didn't!" look Jaime traded with Bronn when he saw that the Sept of Baelor had been destroyed, or the "You worry me" glance he gave the newly minted Queen Cersei when he was standing in the observation wing of the throne room, or the ominous as Hell evil cello musical cue signalling that "bad shit is about to go down" that was used earlier in the season finale when Maester Pycelle was assassinated and Lancel was trying to stop the Wildfire from igniting.

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The Night King (and other White Walkers) radiates cold to such an extent that he can walk through fire and extinguish the flames by mere proximity to them, including dragon fire, which is much hotter than normal flame, able to burn men to ash in seconds.

It's dragon fire for a while after it leaves the dragon's mouth. Once it sets fire to wood or other normal flammables, the fire that follows is normal fire. So I don't think we know if the Night King can stand up to a full blast of dragon fire from a dragon's mouth. I'd call that a maybe to likely.
 
Right, while we're on the subject of predictions, Bran has been (literally) sitting on his ass and not giving any helpful or useful information to anyone this whole season (except possibly off-screen sending Benjen to save Jon). What are the odds that he'll finally say something in the finale, screw up Littlefinger's Arya/Sansa scheme, maybe snitch on Cersei's treachery plans?
I didn't notice this watching the episode the first time, but according to Uproxx, apparently during Littlefinger's conversation with Sansa and Sansa's conversations with Arya, you can hear ravens crowing in the background, implying that creepy Bran the Birdstalker is listening to all of their supposedly secret discussions and I guess building a case file instead of just talking to them. So I give it a pretty strong chance that he's going to creepily drop some knowledge about Littlefinger in a detached monotone to Sansa and Arya in the next episode. Though they may not reveal it to the audience until the last minute to maintain the red herring that Arya and Sansa are still enemies.
 
It's dragon fire for a while after it leaves the dragon's mouth. Once it sets fire to wood or other normal flammables, the fire that follows is normal fire. So I don't think we know if the Night King can stand up to a full blast of dragon fire from a dragon's mouth. I'd call that a maybe to likely.
I didn't say anything about him standing up to a direct blast from dragonfire as it happens. :confused: I said he walked through the fire on the ground and extinguished it. I was making a point about how he radiates cold and how that might have played a part in freezing the lake faster.
 
, it would be a massive "jump the shark" moment that would utterly destroy the show because of how monumentally out-of-left-field it would be and how monumentally it would contradict everything that they've established up to this point.

Of course, one of the very first things you find out about Jaime is that he swallowed his pride and his oaths to kill the previous king, so you know, not exactly out of left field or contradicting everything we know. It would, in fact, be completely fitting with his past actions. Explain how Jaime having to kill his Queen/Sister/Lover, making a sacrifice for the realm/greater good, would 'utterly destroy the show'...?

Also, 'jump the shark' has long since jumped the shark itself, what a boring and worn out cliché.
 
In fact, my best guess is that he may have already killed her, having her die in childbirth next season. Maybe with a stillborn dwarf child. But we'll see...
 
In fact, my best guess is that he may have already killed her, having her die in childbirth next season. Maybe with a stillborn dwarf child. But we'll see...
I've seen that idea before and I do like it, but even with the compress timeline, I don't think there's enough time to reach even premature labor.

Besides, I prefer the parallels to Aerys' death instead: A sword to the back while raging about burning everyone with Wildfire.
 
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