Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7

[dahj]

As awesome as that would be, I would be very surprised if Cersei dies so soon.

We've got to see Dany(and Jon) sitting on the Iron Throne at some point, and it can't just be that in the show finale Jon kills the Night King, pops of to the coronation and then we get end credits. That would suck considering that the show has been building up to a new kind of rule for Westeros, so we have to see them rule, fight the army of the dead, make some tough decision, maybe even face some opposition, and there's only 6 episodes left.
Heck, we had Robert as king for 7 episodes and he was just a plot device

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I am hoping that it also includes something about the other Wolf and Dragon - Lyanna and Rhaegar.

Oh, good catch there. Sam isn't that far from King's Landing so perhaps he hears somehow that Jon is there (did we see Jon there in the preview?) and decides to pullover.

 

[Reverend]

We've got to see Dany(and Jon) sitting on the Iron Throne at some point, and it can't just be that in the show finale Jon kills the Night King, pops of to the coronation and then we get end credits. That would suck considering that the show has been building up to a new kind of rule for Westeros, so we have to see them rule, fight the army of the dead, make some tough decision, maybe even face some opposition, and there's only 6 episodes left.
Heck, we had Robert as king for 7 episodes and he was just a plot device

I'm kind of hoping they just melt that stupid chair down and be done with it.

 

[Miss Chicken]

The only good thing about Viserion's death is that it puts an end to the fan theory that Tyrion is a secret Targaryen and will be the third head of the dragon.

If only certain fans would give up on the Arya is the Waif theory they are clinging to, and the Gendry is Cersei's son theory.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I haven't heard the Gendry theory but I agree on the Tyrion theory (and the awful Arya/Waif theory). In fact, I much prefer the book theory (since it's not even remotely hinted on the show) that Joanna had an affair and Tywin's only son is Tyrion.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Some of other theories I have heard/read over the years are

1) Varys is really a woman
2) Varys is from a female Blackfyre line (more of a book theory)
3) Bronn is the last of the Reynes.
4) Ned is still alive because he managed to warg before his head was chopped off
5) Lyanna Mormont is Tormund's daughter
6) Meera Reed and Jon Snow are twins
7) Stannis is still alive


The Gendry is Cersei's son theory is solely based on Cersei telling Catelyn that her first baby 'a black-haired beauty' died. The fan theory states that Cersei didn't want Robert's baby and planned to kill him so Varys swapped the baby with a dead infant.

Of course there are all those theories who Azor Ahai is. Candidates have included Jon, Dany, Stannis, Jorah, The Hound, Brienne, Gendry and Ser Pounce.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I'm hoping Arya will realise she's been played and take Littlefinger's face - he isn't a large man. I'm not really getting how a faceless man can change height and build or adopt the voice of a different gender. Magic, I suppose...

 

[Miss Chicken]

My view is that the mask is the whole body not just the face. In one scene a black man changes into Jaqen H'ghar so I think that is proof that it isn't just the face.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Of course there are all those theories who Azor Ahai is. Candidates have included Jon, Dany, Stannis, Jorah, The Hound, Brienne, Gendry and Ser Pounce.

Another theory is that Jon Snow is Lightbringer and his real father, Rhaegar, was Azor Ahai as he himself believed.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Yes, I have heard that one. I am not sure if it could be brought into the show but I think it could be in the books.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

My view is that the mask is the whole body not just the face. In one scene a black man changes into Jaqen H'ghar so I think that is proof that it isn't just the face.

Perhaps chromatophores are latent in GoT world humans and take the place of our melanocytes but voluntary control of pigmentation requires training.

 

[Reverend]

I think it's much more likely that the prophecies are all a load of bollocks. I mean has nobody been paying attention to the tone of this whole thing? The world being saved by the 'Philosophised Chosen One' would seem to rather miss the whole point, no?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Some of other theories I have heard/read over the years are
4) Ned is still alive because he managed to warg before his head was chopped off

So he's just wandering around Westeros in a dire wolf or something?

5) Lyanna Mormont is Tormund's daughter

How would that even work? He snuck below the wall and raped her mother? Kind of a weird place to take fan theories.

7) Stannis is still alive

That one was really the showrunners fault. A show infamous for its fearless display of death and sex and suddenly they cut away from a major character's final scene for no reason? They were begging for people to think he was still alive. But with him having been all but forgotten by this point, it was clearly a red herring.

 

[Gary7]

They knew where the dragon went in the water from the big hole in the ice. So they just dropped the chain in a loop and kept trawling and re-dropping the chain until they hooked it around the giant horns on Viserion's head.

Yeah... I guess that makes sense. Only... you can't see into those depths. PLUS, with all the weight from those chains, wouldn't the ice break? Also, these wights are too stupid to lasso something that large and complicated (the chain loop would have to get up and over those horns, and how would they know the orientation of the dragon's head? Maybe the Night King gave the brains to the operation, supervising and puppeteer-ing the drone wights.

 

[DigificWriter]

Okay, IGN, just stop. You're hurting what credibility you have left.

But while this moment may not have panned out on the speculation front, "Beyond the Wall" still had plenty of things to theorize about. One of which is the idea that the Night King may be, in fact, Bran Stark - a long-running theory that got a boost from "Beyond the Wall." It involves Bran, who would have gotten stuck in the past, getting trapped inside the first white walker ever created (the Night King, who he witnessed getting turned), while attempting to actually thwart the creation of white walkers.

It's a dense theory that involves warging, the idea that spending too much time in the past will get you stuck there, and the fact that the Night King and Bran seemed to be connected psychically. Notably, Bran is also able to warg into humans and has powers that not only allow him to see into the past, but change things as well. There's even an element of the theory that suggest that the voices that drove King Aerys "Mad" came from Bran, who was telling him to "Burn" all the white walkers. There are holes for sure - namely why the Three-Eyed-Raven before Bran never mentioned anything - but the theory's gotten some new believers this week. Basically, broken down, Bran's attempts to prevent the "Great War" cause him to go back in time in steps, failing at every turn, until eventually he time travels too much and gets trapped.

Hell, it's no more crazy than my personal weird theory that Arya Stark never made it to Winterfell. I know there are some who think Arya never actually made it back to Westeros, and that she's really just been the Waif in Arya skin the whole time. My idea is less extreme than that and just uses the Nymeria reunion in the woods as a turning point to actually send her to King's Landing and "No One" to Winterfell. How would Jaqen have Arya's face without killing her? Welp, that's a hole, now isn't it?

There's speculation, and then there's "tinfoil hat conspiracy theories", with everything that I quoted here falling into the latter category, and it ruins IGN's credibility further than it already has been, at least with me, for them to peddle these ideas.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Yeah... I guess that makes sense. Only... you can't see into those depths. PLUS, with all the weight from those chains, wouldn't the ice break? Also, these wights are too stupid to lasso something that large and complicated (the chain loop would have to get up and over those horns, and how would they know the orientation of the dragon's head? Maybe the Night King gave the brains to the operation, supervising and puppeteer-ing the drone wights.

You don't have to see. That's what trawling the bottom of the lake is for. You drag the chain along until it snags something. If you've gone too far and it didn't catch, you go back to the beginning and try again. There was a big hole in the ice where the dragon fell through, so they don't even need to search a wide area. They know exactly where to drop the chain to land on the carcass. And yes, the Night King and his White Walker bros are guiding the wights.

And at the risk of over-thinking this, because the simple answer from a storytelling standpoint is that it was really cold that day and the ice froze harder and faster, I had an idea about why the ice on the lake froze so quickly:

Jon said about the Night King: "The true enemy won't wait out the storm. He brings the storm." This was meant as a bit of ominous metaphorical warning on Jon's part, but there's also some truth to it. The approach of the White Walkers and the Night King is often masked by a blinding snowstorm. The Night King (and other White Walkers) radiates cold to such an extent that he can walk through fire and extinguish the flames by mere proximity to them, including dragon fire, which is much hotter than normal flame, able to burn men to ash in seconds. The presence of the Night King and his White Walker lieutenants at the lake was probably contributing to the fact that it froze over so quickly and so much harder than before, and why the big line of wights was able to pull the chains and the dragon on the ice later.

 

[Gary7]

One thing I believe should dispel the notion that Arya is dead (and that someone is impersonating her), is that the faces cannot be worn on top of each other. You can only do one face at a time (unless perhaps you're the master, the man who can do it without skins). And since we've seen Arya taking off faces, it would have to be her.

 

[Gary7]

You don't have to see. That's what trawling the bottom of the lake is for. You drag the chain along until it snags something. If you've gone too far and it didn't catch, you go back to the beginning and try again. There was a big hole in the ice where the dragon fell through, so they don't even need to search a wide area. They know exactly where to drop the chain to land on the carcass. And yes, the Night King and his White Walker bros are guiding the wights.

They would have to have the tremendous good fortune of the dragon's head resting in just the right way. Because the head could've been resting in so many different positions that would've made it practically impossible to get the chain loop around its head, without shifting the body.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Of course there are all those theories who Azor Ahai is. Candidates have included Jon, Dany, Stannis, Jorah, The Hound, Brienne, Gendry and Ser Pounce.

It's definitely Ser Pounce.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Regardless of whether or not Cersei survives until Season 8, she's likely dying at the hands of either Arya or Dany; anything else at this point would be a "jump the shark" moment.

Huh? I'm fine with either of the possibilities you mention above occurring, but why would it be a "jump the shark" moment if say Tyrion or Jaime or even Sansa (less likely) were to do the deed instead? With Tyrion and Jaime you already have the prophecy that Cersei would be killed by a "younger brother" at play (and while Jaime is only minutes younger, it still counts), and there's the added drama of longstanding revenge on Tyrion's part and Jaime possibly having to kill the woman he loves and become the Queenslayer to save the city and/or Westeros from the Mad Queen. As far as Sansa goes, I could see her becoming ruthless in the style of Olenna and poisoning Cersei's wine in revenge or to free the North from her machinations. I don't see how any of those would be jump the shark assassins.

If Samwell Tarly suddenly kicked open the doors to the Red Keep on a horse with Gilly holding on to his waist, dropped a Schwarzeneggerian quip like "I've got another sword for your throne, bitch!" and then threw Heartsbane 40 feet through the air and completely through Cersei's heart, pinning her to the Iron Throne just as she was about to blow up King's Landing with Wildfire, killing Jon and Daenerys, THEN you could say that kill jumped the shark. Awesome as hell, but completely out of character, implausible, and with no prior story justification. But ruling out perfectly legitimate possible assassins like Tyrion (maybe with Bronn's paid help), Jaime, and Sansa and then saying that would ruin the show if any of them did it doesn't make much sense.