USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Indeed. Moreover, everything in Trek (or elsewhere in television or imagination today) is laughable as future anything - it's not from the future for real, and odds are that the future will be different.
Why should this be relevant? Because the desire to be "more plausible to today's audiences" is doomed to fail regardless of the effort expended. It just doesn't pay off.
Better to stick to one's guns and keep doing 1970s mullets and moustaches in Star Wars because that is Star Wars.
Bullshit. It's a stupid flying saucer with bits glued on. And it couldn't fly any better than something based on the best design traditions of garden tooling would.
Timo Saloniemi
Intriguing. I always thought it was just a mish mash of whatever spare parts they had; walls chucked together haphazardly.
Thats partly why Discovery is growing on me; Shenzhou has the clutter, Disco has cleaner lines (Enterprise obviously even cleaner). Shows a nice progression inside and out.
Fair enough. Though to be honest, I think the TOS design could technically survive for a one off appearance. Internally the shae of the corridors aren't far off what we've seen so far in the Discovery trailers; rebuild them with a slightly different paint job, more detailing on all the little bits and pieces (such as pipes etc - basically building for modern HD) and give it some harsher lighting (never the purple/pink/greens!) and it'd look good enough.
The interiors on other ships were all the same ships, really. So that's not a big issue. Just give it some minor tweaks, light it differently and we're done.
Bridge and exteriors a different story, but the TOS style always came back for a bit of nostalgia; if they wanted to bring it back, they could easily get by on the nostalgia card while upgrading the sets in places.
It's not in space. It's on TV.
Simple shapes work on TV as well. It is just a rectangle after all.
There are two, possibly three schools of thought going on around the old USS Enterprise.
1. The strictly production end school where it is about business, camera work, sets, and costumes.
2,. Designers who see things as dated and want to toss it.
3. People who want fiction to be relatively consistent with in its own fictional setting.
(4. "What do you mean its not real?")
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Take your irrefutable logic (and your obvious good taste) elsewhere! It's frowned upon here!
If one takes a close look, those "simple shapes" of the original 1701 aren't quite as simple as some folks here are claiming. I know I'm biased, but I still think the 1701 is the best looking ship the franchise has ever produced. But, I also think a '64 Mustang is better looking than any of the cars that came after it that carry the name.
And yet Discovery's shapes are just as simple, maybe even simpler. Seriously, are you blind, look at that secondary hull. It is crude and boxy.
I agree with you in principle but I have zero, absolutely zero, faith in modern artists to be able to modernize Trek that doesn't wind up taking it down a hopelessly garish and gaudy direction, especially if you're limiting the art pool to people who worked on the Kelvin-verse (which is the team on Discovery with their 3D printer and HR Giger fetish, etc...).
The subtle addition of plating on the TOS Remasters was probably the last gasp of restraint we'll see in this area.
I beg to differ. I think texture, shadows & lighting have a lot to do with it. Not to mention hull colour. Nobody is suggesting the AMT model kit ship from the original 60s show should appear. But a CGI rendered version with sufficient detailing can.
I have to be honest, you sound like this guy:
The USS Discovery is basically the SIr Ken Adam/Ralph McQuarrie Enterprise from one of the abortive Star Trek films of the mid-70s, just with the warp nacelles elongated and backward.
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No, its not. It has many sweeping forms and a factor more design elemensts than the connie. The Discovery is far more detailed and advanced in shape styling than the connie
I beg to differ. I think texture, shadows & lighting have a lot to do with it. Not to mention hull colour. Nobody is suggesting the AMT model kit ship from the original 60s show should appear. But a CGI rendered version with sufficient detailing can.
I have to be honest, you sound like this guy:
The USS Discovery is basically the SIr Ken Adam/Ralph McQuarrie Enterprise from one of the abortive Star Trek films of the mid-70s, just with the warp nacelles elongated and backward.
Once more, this has zero to do with textures and lighting. Its shapes and design styling. You guys are so caught up in the forest, you are missing the trees
And your images are wrong
And your doctorate in design and architecture comes from?
Its a communiy college degree. But I am aiming at a higher level degree at the moment.
This stuff is plan as day man. Its not hard to spot. Anyone with any training in the area should easily spot the issue
Sweeping form, my ass. That secondary hull is a fucking box. As for details, that's the only part you're right about, but you can add details on Connie without changing the overall shape.
Indeed. And obviously a modernist building by Wright or van der Rohe is much more primitive than a gothic cathedral because the shapes are simpler.
Kor
You are looking at the wrong image. That is not the discovery we have. And even the old version had more design complexity than the connie. It simply does.
If you do not change the connie shape, it still will look older than the NX, because design wise it us and it shows like a supernova. The redesign in TMP is fone, as it fits, but the TOS forms are just super simple and primative
Indeed. And obviously a modernist building by Wright or van der Rohe is much more primitive than a gothic cathedral because the shapes are simpler.
Kor
The issue here is design linage. You guys want to ignore it because you want a TOS nod, not because a clearly more primative and date d design fits
Since the show takes place in the TOS timeframe, why wouldn't I want a TOS nod? I'm not ashamed of the show like some here seem to be.
Other then the nacelles, the TMP Connie is basically the same shape.
It is the 'texture' of the ship that gives most of the detail.
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