Neither is Discovery based on the sound of its "nobody is safe" GoT approach.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Neither is Discovery based on the sound of its "nobody is safe" GoT approach.
The issue is, they can not and will not show the TOS version. It simply does not fit. But if they show it and have updated it, fans will grash teeth. If they do not show it, fans will gash teeth. If they do not update it...only a tiny group of fans will like it and most new fans will be super confused as to why a ship that looks like an old clunker is being shown next to sleek sexy designs as just 10 years older.
They can make it fit.
No they can not. Not without altering it. The design forms simply no longer work, they look older than the NX by decades if not centuries. It was the first ship and trek moved away from those design forms. Now you could use the design forms of the Phase II or TMP connie, those would work with a modern texture.
You never know till you try. I'd trust the word of SFX experts that they can make it work. There's lots of wiggle room, as it were.
Whatever added bits appear on DSC's version of the Constitution class, can be justified as having been there all along.
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They will and they will alter it. Most likely TMP connie with more crap on it and we'll hate it, but the current gen will be like "thanks gods for fixing that olde tyme design".
They would need to change the design. Wiggle room is what I am talking about. Its not the textures that are the issue, but the blank forms used in the design. Trek moved away from them in 1979 and never looked back. Once ENT came out with the 79 inspired design linage, that left the TOS design forms out in the cold.
People hate when I say its like a model T next to a corvette, but from a design point of view it is. They tried this in ENT for the anniversary show and it looked awful, the NX looked so much more modern and powerful than the clunker TOS design because of shape and form.
I think the TOS design can be updated, but lets be honest that is not what some want.
TMP connie from a design stand point makes far more sense. And yeah, some folks, me included, think the TOS design does not belong. Its like a model T running next to a 2017 challenger or something. The design forms are just dated.
Not if it's just more Kirk and Spock. But if it's Pike, or Phase 2 (yes TMP would have to be ignored), I'm fine with them updating TOS design.
GR would disagree with you: “In the Twenty-Fourth Century, no one grieves. Death is accepted as part of life.”
DSC will probably feature either young Kirk or the Enterprise - just not both.
If it's Kirk, my money's on the Farragut disaster. The time frame's just about right. And honestly, there's more drama there than anything involving the Enterprise.
Which is horseshit, of course. People will always grieve.
If it's Kirk, my money's on the Farragut disaster. The time frame's just about right. And honestly, there's more drama there than anything involving the Enterprise.
Which is horseshit, of course. People will always grieve.
I agree and part of me hopes they leave the refit alone and retire its look because it's just so perfect.
I think that Pacific 201 guy Eric Henry had the right idea. That we've never seen the real universe, only artists' interpretations and that's all we'll ever see since each gen needs to remake Trek in its own image for it to survive. It's the essence of Trek that needs to be carefully curated.
True, but the message was how we deal with the grief in the modern age. In the early 90's I was at Prudential and they called us into a new wave of policy meeting. One thing that they said was that no longer should the death of a loved one cause you to get up and leave as soon as you get the news. You must make sure your work is handed off and you have an estimate for your return. Employees were outraged. I thought....Gene knew.
Well, yeah, I'm sure that people will be able to complete their shifts at work, but once they're off duty, they WILL still grieve.
Emotions still exist, and people should still be allowed to be sad if a loved one dies. It's one thing to wait till you clock out of work before you cry; but if you're not ever allowed to cry, or express any emotion whatsoever, then what kind of a life is that? Hell, not even Vulcans are that cold-hearted.
Death will never be something that can be just shrugged off and easily dismissed like it doesn't even matter. If that ever happens, I'd weep for the future of humanity. (Assuming it's still permitted to weep.
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Emotions still exist, and people should still be allowed to be sad if a loved one dies. It's one thing to wait till you clock out of work before you cry; but if you're not ever allowed to cry, or express any emotion whatsoever, then what kind of a life is that? Hell, not even Vulcans are that cold-hearted.
Death will never be something that can be just shrugged off and easily dismissed like it doesn't even matter. If that ever happens, I'd weep for the future of humanity. (Assuming it's still permitted to weep.
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Never, just leave that shit in your quarters or on the holodeck when you report to your bridge shift.Well, yeah, I'm sure that people will be able to complete their shifts at work, but once they're off duty, they WILL still grieve. Death will never be something that can be just shrugged off and easily dismissed. If that ever happens, I'd weep for the future of humanity. (Assuming it's still permitted to weep.
I would desperately like to think that Gene wasn't so addled with psychobabble that he would advocate a society where people aren't even allowed to grieve IN PRIVATE. 
I think the refit is where they need to start with the update as its forms are simply fantastic.
I think that would be a great idea - its exactly the kind of story line that would show that a Utopian idea will never be achieved because perfection can't. It would show that humans - although always striving for the Utopian dream will always fall short and need to work at it due to our natural instincts.
As interesting as that is, it betrays the optimism of Trek at is core, by assuming the cynical stance that utopia is unknowable, and therefor, cannot be achieved. That mankind's base instincts will never allow it to occur.
Perhaps that fits with a more post-modern view, but it certainly does not mesh with the humanistic view that Star Trek has always espoused.
Gene knew what, that some companies have shitty employee policies?
Roddenberry was full of crap on this subject, just as he was with regard to a range of things. He was a clever TV producer, not a philosopher or scientist or psychologist or spiritual giant.
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