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USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

TV shows can use whatever design they like and don't have to hold to any era design or style trends if they aren't set in the modern day. A Sci-fi show can do basically whatever and get away with it and historical pieces need to at least look around their eras. For Star Trek, you have this unconformable mix for producers due to it being potentially both sci-fi and historical, where they can do whatever they want, but they already have preexisting designs from the era they are attempting to depict with a large fanbase and non-fan base that would expect things to look at least someone like it did because that's how it looks. If it doesn't look like that it considered wrong and they can't get around that. Even with the 2009 Stark Trek film, things somewhat looked how one would expect things to look based on the fictional time period since the era is established already. The alternate timeline gave them allowances to do changes, but their were still things that looked, more or less the same.

Some of the props shown for Discovery do resemble things from Star Trek with a slightly different take that makes sense given the when it takes place. Other starship designs make sense because our window into Starfleet ships were extremely limited due to ever starship being a Constitution in the 1960s. However because of that, the audience would expect that specific class of ship to look like that still regardless of everything else in the universe. Why? Because that is how that she has always looked for that time period. There is quite literally, no reason to change it. Also no point in changing it. It is what it is, and looks fine from even the ENT era model used for USS Defiant at the end of ENT production era almost 40 years after the ship was designed for this little TV show for NBC called Star Trek. The difference with it being a 40 year old design and a 50 year old design are moot. She is what she is, and can look as good or bad on the screen as you want, but does work all the way up to 4K resolution as a starship.
 
I can't say for sure, but I suspect the artist has some insider knowledge, since this was posted before the reveal of the Discovery with her new nacelles and saucer gaps.
That image is from @TheIrishTrekkie (who worked with renders by David Combe), who, if I remember correctly, never claimed to have any insider knowledge and came up with the image simply by putting the Shenzhou nacelles on the Discovery model. If you look closely, it doesn't even have the cut-outs. So no, that size comparison is pure guesswork.
 
That image is from @TheIrishTrekkie (who worked with renders by David Combe), who, if I remember correctly, never claimed to have any insider knowledge and came up with the image simply by putting the Shenzhou nacelles on the Discovery model. If you look closely, it doesn't even have the cut-outs. So no, that size comparison is pure guesswork.
I stand corrected. And a really good guess as far as the nacelles go.

I'm still expecting the Discovery to be significantly bigger than the classic Enterprise. But that's a Starship Size Argument™ for another time.:p
 
I can only agree with Ithekro, the Starship/Connie class looks perfect from all angles which is something that later models cannot always claim. ED was a top heavy blimp from all but a few angles and Voyager like a fat cigar with a match either side. EE looks pretty good I must say, but Ent destroyed the lineage with its Akira looks (or is that Loknar (look it up) ).

As for interiors, sure a few things don't look logical (bridge offset to line up with the turbolift doors and the ongoing debate as to exactly where main engineering could fit) and the colours can be a bit garish. But, hey, a little (true to the original) redesign will easilly fix that.
Amuses me no end that TOS grognards are here mocked for having a "anything as long as it looks in keeping with TOS design" mentality. BUT others have a "anything as long as its NOT in keeping with TOS design" mentality.
Sauce for the goose and all that.
The TOS Enterprise broke the scifi tv design rules back in the sixties and it still stands up now. I think its time for a comeback!
 
I'm still expecting the Discovery to be significantly bigger than the classic Enterprise. But that's a Starship Size Argument™ for another time.:p

Is it wrong of me to be secretly looking forward to a Discovery starship size argument thread? :beer:

The last one was a truly breath-taking work of art... and absolutely a 'must-check-for-updates-at-least-hourly'' thread! :techman:
 
A Model T style starship (as oppose to the just saying its the Model T because its the first one seen), would have basically no covering over the warp nacelles They've be entirely exposed to space for maximum field coverage and ability to radiate everything out. There wouldn't be a saucer per say, but a simple command level with no frills. The engineering hull would likely also have a lot of its potential radiation sources exposed to space. There would be a strapped on shuttle on the side of the ship. And the ship would come in any color, as long as it was black.

Model T. :techman:
 
[QUOTE="Timo, post: 12095518, member: 2277"
For whatever reason, it's not a matter of aesthetics of the day, or the technological means. Kirk's original ship simply returns as is, even if only as a cameo like in ST:ID.

Timo Saloniemi[/QUOTE]
We've never seen April's Enterprise.
 
There was a deleted scene in Into Darkness that had a TOS Connie hanging from Marcus' officer ceiling.

But considering the scene was deleted, it might not have been the final model.

It also shared its registry with another ship.
 
I think that something in the line with Vektor´s version of the Enterprise would do the job. :)

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Something in line with Madkoi´s version would be fine too:

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The version built by Rick "Madman" Wallace would serves for inspiration too:

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All of them are good examples of how you can modernize the old lady and still recognizes her. ;)

Don't stop! Don't stop! I'm almost there!
 
Well, you can't use a touchscreen by feel, you have to be looking at it to use it. That could be a disadvantage in situations where you need to be looking elsewhere, so I think using touchscreens and buttons makes the most sense.

I'd like to direct people's attention to the two pilots of TOS and some interesting human-machine interfaces.

In "Where No Man Has Gone Before", Kirk orders Gary Mitchell to "address intercraft" ... for an 'all hands' announcement. Watch what Mitchell does. He doesn't stab buttons; he very casually swipes the side of his right hand over the navigation console. It's clearly some kind of gesture recognition technology.

Even more compelling is "The Cage" where, at the beginning of the very first scenes of Star Trek, young Mister Spock is giving a short presentation on the composition of the Talos star group. He advances from one image to the next with a flick of his finger in mid air as he's standing. It's not like he was giving orders to someone controlling a slide projector, although that's the inspiration. The intent was clearly that he was using the computer with the same gestures he would use if a human were advancing the slides! This was in 1964!

I'm not sure why they fell back to stabbing at buttons for the rest of the series ... certainly for most operations, banks of specialized buttons and switches work better than gestures. But sometimes a small library of memorized gestures can make computer use easier and faster. But the idea that gestures were part of conceived computer operations on the Enterprise back in 1964 is astonishing and makes the bridge of the original ship more advanced in that respect than any other starship depicted in the Trek universe since.
 
On Hulu, the photo icon for TOS now uses Gabe Koeners' Enterprise. I've seen it used in other places as well as a stand in for the TOS version.
 
Even more compelling is "The Cage" where, at the beginning of the very first scenes of Star Trek, young Mister Spock is giving a short presentation on the composition of the Talos star group. He advances from one image to the next with a flick of his finger in mid air as he's standing. It's not like he was giving orders to someone controlling a slide projector, although that's the inspiration. The intent was clearly that he was using the computer with the same gestures he would use if a human were advancing the slides! This was in 1964!

Actually, not - infamously, the scene does feature a young "secretary" operating the slide projector, but she's cut off from the frame in the final shot, meaning the effect we get is exactly as you describe despite not having been the actual intent.

I'm not sure why they fell back to stabbing at buttons for the rest of the series ...

Because they weren't really all that innovative and daring, sadly enough. Even Gary Mitchell's odd hand gesture is probably intended to indicate him hitting all the right buttons but using a very cool gesture for it because he's so very cool himself.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Actually, not - infamously, the scene does feature a young "secretary" operating the slide projector, but she's cut off from the frame in the final shot, meaning the effect we get is exactly as you describe despite not having been the actual intent.
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Now that is interesting, Timo ... I just went back to watch the sequence in question and there's no appearance of a secretary anywhere in that scene. There's a male officer at communications. A yeoman who comes to Pike's side with a form that Pike refuses, crewmen at navigation and helm, a male crewman at engineering, and a security officer next to the turbolift.

Spock moves to his console (which seems closer to the main viewer than it should be) and is looking directly at the slides from the side and doesn't appear to acknowledge any kind of assistant.

Do you have a source indicating the existence of this secretary? Or did you mean that the scene was shot with a production member off-camera, watching Nimoy's gestures, and changing the slides accordingly?
 
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