They have set the expectation, they have sold it to us, if they don't deliver some folks will be disappointed.
Though it doesn't matter to me as I'm just treating it as its own thing and will judge it accordingly.
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They have set the expectation, they have sold it to us, if they don't deliver some folks will be disappointed.
Though it doesn't matter to me as I'm just treating it as its own thing and will judge it accordingly.
This little derail reminds me of Dr. Evil air-quoting "LASER"
I care about the continuity, but I'm somehow way more concerned about an entire alien race suddenly going completely bald and changing the design of all their gear and ships than some throwaway line from the first pilot.
People are certainly free to get worked up over whatever they like. Life will be very disappointing for them if that crosses the threshold. That just seems to be too trivial an issue! Cool that it's not a big deal to you.
Much like the change from TOS to TMP (until DS9 ruined it), I was happy with the explanation that the Klingon Empire was large and diverse. Treating Discovery as its own thing, I will go back to treating the Klingon Empire as something large and diverse.
This.
It's just fine to have different types of rayguns in the same general timespan, i.e. Cage-type pistols, TOS phasers, and these newly-revealed STD guns. Perhaps different equipment is used in different divisions of the fleet at different times, or something. Even in the TOS movies era, we got at least three different Starfleet hand phasers.
Real life armies and navies (not to bring up that old debate again
) don't only have one type of firearm. For example, there are over a dozen different pistols and just as many rifles in active use in the US armed forces, not to mention shotguns, machine guns, sniper rifles, etc.
And if we want to be nit-picky about the "laser" nomenclature being used for ray guns hundreds of years from now that don't work like today's real-world lasers, then that should also raise the question of why phaser weapons seem to have absolutely nothing to do with the real-world "phaser" audio signal filtering process.
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Real life armies and navies (not to bring up that old debate again
) don't only have one type of firearm. For example, there are over a dozen different pistols and just as many rifles in active use in the US armed forces, not to mention shotguns, machine guns, sniper rifles, etc.And if we want to be nit-picky about the "laser" nomenclature being used for ray guns hundreds of years from now that don't work like today's real-world lasers, then that should also raise the question of why phaser weapons seem to have absolutely nothing to do with the real-world "phaser" audio signal filtering process.
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I wouldn't say DS9 ruined it ... they were just having a light-hearted laugh at the change and someone involved with Enterprise took the episode and the line about Klingons way too seriously.
"The Tholian Web" is the only episode of TOS season three that's Star Trek, because most of the shows that year are too stupid.
"Parallel world" episodes of TOS aren't Star Trek - "Patterns of Force," "Bread and Circuses," "A Piece of The Action," "The Omega Glory," and so forth. They're stupid and implausible and I don't like them. NOT Star Trek.
"The Cage" was rejected by NBC, is not included in the original production order of TOS, was never broadcast on television in its entirety until 1988, and is inconsistent with real Star Trek in many ways. It's not Star Trek. "The Menagerie" story of Pike is partly Star Trek, but not the wrapper part written by Roddenberry because it's bad, illogical and stupid.
I've watched all of these many times, so I know that they are not Star Trek. I have spoken.
"Parallel world" episodes of TOS aren't Star Trek - "Patterns of Force," "Bread and Circuses," "A Piece of The Action," "The Omega Glory," and so forth. They're stupid and implausible and I don't like them. NOT Star Trek.
"The Cage" was rejected by NBC, is not included in the original production order of TOS, was never broadcast on television in its entirety until 1988, and is inconsistent with real Star Trek in many ways. It's not Star Trek. "The Menagerie" story of Pike is partly Star Trek, but not the wrapper part written by Roddenberry because it's bad, illogical and stupid.
I've watched all of these many times, so I know that they are not Star Trek. I have spoken.
They ruined it well before that with Kang, Kor and Koloth having ridges in "Blood Oath".
I heard that John Colicos complained and asked why they had to have the wrinkled foreheads when they didn't have them originally. He was told it was because they were now playing "old klingons."
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When I saw TMP in theaters back in 1979, I simply attributed the new look of Klingons to the fact that the makeup changed.
...And if you simply attribute the different look of Klingons to a change in the makeup, then nothing was ruined in "Blood Oath"
However, more puzzling is that Koloth being part of the story "Trials and Tribble-ations" as well as "Blood Oath". I know Worf said they don't discuss it with others, but that was another trip up within the continuity.When I saw TMP in theaters back in 1979, I simply attributed the new look of Klingons to the fact that the makeup changed.
...And if you simply attribute the different look of Klingons to a change in the makeup, then nothing was ruined in "Blood Oath"
But I lean more on the realist side of things: it's a change in makeup, same as Spock's changing look from "The Cage" to "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to TOS.
There was a con where Armin Shimmerman was a guest, and he was asked why some Ferengi had the little "shower curtain" around the back of their head.
He said that he could either go in-universe and say that it's from different houses and standing in the Ferengi, according to how much they've profited, or that they were running out of time to finish the makeup and they stuck those on to hide what was missing!
...and the way TNG changed what Romulans look like, by adding extra brow and forehead ridges without explanation.
I mean, if people are looking for in-universe reasons that the TMP/TNG Klingons looking different than TOS Klingons, then shouldn't they also be looking for in-universe reasons the TNG Romulans differ from TOS Romulans?
People have been trying to come up with explanations for that for a very long time. Probably the moment the first Romulan appeared in "The Neutral Zone".
And ... technically, shouldn't the Vulcans have the same ridges? Part of the suspense of "Balance of Terror" was the discovery that Romulans looked just like Vulcans -- their makeup should be the same.
So you have to come up with a whopping tale to explain the difference, in universe. I've heard everything from long term radiation exposure to cross breeding with the Remans.
Well, they could ease their minds and relieve their consternation by just attributing it to be:
"The TNG art directors and make up people felt like making Romulans look different because they could."
True. Unless Romulans separated from Vulcans hundreds of thousands of years ago to allow time to evolve forehead ridges, then they should look like Vulcans. However, I was under the impression (maybe mistakenly?) that the separation was more recent than that.
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