You mean from JJTrek the antiTrek
Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed
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You mean from JJTrek the antiTrek
The thing that I never understood about the reaction to The Naked Now is that people seem to think that TNG was pulling a fast one on them. "Hey! This is just like that other episode that you clearly named this one after and even describe in the episode!"
My disappointment with NN is that because they didn't have the limitations of 1966 NBC they just made most of the episode about sex.
Of course thinking back to The Naked Time it's remarkable how many of the major characters we DIDN'T find anything out about: McCoy, Scotty, and Uhura all dodged the virus. Even Kirk is somewhat shoehorned in at the end. ("Hey, Nimoy is getting a big scenery chewing scene! Where's MINE?!?") TNG hit EVERYBODY. Even the ROBOT.
My disappointment with NN is that because they didn't have the limitations of 1966 NBC they just made most of the episode about sex.
Of course thinking back to The Naked Time it's remarkable how many of the major characters we DIDN'T find anything out about: McCoy, Scotty, and Uhura all dodged the virus. Even Kirk is somewhat shoehorned in at the end. ("Hey, Nimoy is getting a big scenery chewing scene! Where's MINE?!?") TNG hit EVERYBODY. Even the ROBOT.
Calling Scott and Uhura "major characters" at that point of the series is a bit of stretch.
They don't need to escape continuity. They can simply ignore it.
Exactly, becasue continuity is not something the needs to be escaped. It should be embraced and relished.
Nope meant any, JJ's version is pure up modern TOS. Sure its less silly and bit less campy but its pure up TOS
I'll be honest... every time I look at the forum I'm tempted to change this thread's title to "Kelvin timeline not confirmed at all".
I would actually heavily disagree here. The JJ-movies look almost exactly like TOS, from the colours to production design aesthetics, just modernized. But they actually don't feel a lot like them. If you happen to rewatch an old TOS-episode, one of the first noticeable things is how slow and talky everything is. Shatner-Kirk is a pretty by-the-books diplomat, and the solution to the problem is mostly a big speech about humanity and/or peace and working together in the end. If you skip over the last five minutes in the third act where Kirk has a shirtless fistfight, TOS actually feels a lot more like TNG than any other Trek series.
The JJ-Trek movies, on the other hand, almost feel like an extension of the much more action-oriented Enterprise. At least, the good part of Enterprise, aka the 3rd and 4th season. Which themselves are already heavily TOS-inspired in their looks. But from storytelling, to the problems faced, to the solutions depicted, as well as the interpretation of some famous Trek species (e.g. Vulcans) ENT is much closer IMO. Which makes a tiny amount of sense, considering the one directly followed the other. That's why I see it's quite obvious the JJ-movies aesthetics inspired DIS to a degree: Those simply were the last Trek products on screen. That's always going to be the biggest influence on the next follow-up incarnation.
Yeah we are gonna disagree because I get none of that. TOS was a pure up action adventure show, with death and a fight in pretty much every show. I don't think the reboots look too much like them at all, but they are written just like them. You could have put beyond in TOS and no would would have noticed.
You clearly haven't watched TOS recently. You'd be surprised how little action and how much speeches and discussion is in there
Really, there's seldom an episode with more than one single action scene on a runtime of ~50 minutes, but there are quite a few who don't have an action scene at all.
Edit: Also, everyone in TOS was really a by-the-books officer. The whole "rogue resisting his superious" - which is one of the main narratives of the JJmovies - was pretty much an invention of the TOS-movies. Not the series.
That makes sense. And it was logical when the productions where following in a linear timeline from TOS-Movies-TNG-DS9-VOY. But when the productions stopped following the linear timeline is when the problems started, after VOY-ENT-JJ-DSC.
You clearly haven't watched TOS recently. You'd be surprised how little action and how much speeches and discussion is in there
Really, there's seldom an episode with more than one single action scene on a runtime of ~50 minutes, but there are quite a few who don't have an action scene at all.
Edit: Also, everyone in TOS was really a by-the-books officer. The whole "rogue resisting his superious" - which is one of the main narratives of the JJmovies - was pretty much an invention of the TOS-movies. Not the series.
Yeah I watched it and he was a rogue, fly by night cowboy who did as he wanted, banged alot of chicks and fought near all the time and got a hell a lot of redshirts killed. This is trek, its script bile calls it an action show and demands weekly action.
JJ is just following what came 50 years before.
Yeah, that's right. Although to be fair: Most of these aesthetic choices weren't even conscious choices. They were dictated by the available special effects and make-up effects, and the level in which production design changed over time.
Yeah, no, not at all. You seem to know TOS mainly through it's parodies and popcultural osmosis. You'd be surprised how different it actually is!
The look shared had a lot more to do with budget and well, having access to all the stuff from the other shows. Sci-fi shows are crazy costly. You can see parts of the Movie sets reused in TNG/DS/Voy and see them using each others props and sets and then oh sweet gods the kitbashes.
This is why those three shows look so much the same and in line with each other. ENT did not reuse much from the older shows( much had likely been sold off) and then DIS has such a massive budget and zero need to kitbash and reuse anything.
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