His next interaction, he finds out Riker hasn't carried out his orders, nor notified him there was an issue with the orders.
Does one think Picard would've put up with Riker if he had decided to wait to re-dock the saucer?
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His next interaction, he finds out Riker hasn't carried out his orders, nor notified him there was an issue with the orders.
Does one think Picard would've put up with Riker if he had decided to wait to re-dock the saucer?
And perhaps the kind of drama that challenges that assumption is the stuff people still talk about 2 decades later. The whole point of the episode, that so many seem to overlook, is actually quite brilliant for Star Trek, because it asserts, uncharacteristically, that WE, the viewers, are biased. We are indoctrinated to believe the main cast are by default always in the right, if someone else isn't completely in their corner, when we know that hasn't always been the case, & all evidence in this episode seems to indicate otherwise.
The brilliance of this episode is that we are as biased about this change as THEY are, & they use that. Jellico was right, completed his mission successfully, circumnavigated what was going to be an unavoidable objection to the change of command, skillfully quelled a political crisis, put down a militaristic challenge, AND saved Picard's life. He's everything we expect from all our heroes, & nothing of what we expect from our weekly antagonists. He did all this, with a crew that didn't want him, before they even knew who he was or what he was doing. Riker lodged his 1st objection before Nechayev's briefing was over, hours before they'd even met the man. Under those circumstances, it would not matter what man they then met. He was not the Picard they expect.
The reason I argue this episode so much, is that I feel like the people who blast Jellico are caught up by the trap the writers deliberately laid for them, & I want them to value the episode for what the objective eye can see it to be, because it is a true benchmark moment for Star Trek, and I think it's something all of us Star Trek fans can take something from, if we view it in the right light.
Where was Jellico at the Battle of Wolf 357, hmmm?
We haven't the slightest idea what Jellico was doing at that time.
And since only 40 starships - a mere fraction of Starfleet's total lineup - were assigned to Wolf 359, the possibility that Jellico wasn't there is hardly a reflection on his command ability.
For instance: You'll notice that the Enterprise wasn't posted to the battle. So Picard wasn't there either. Anyone going to question HIS command? Thought not...
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Wolf 359 was a rushed thing anyway. Jellico could've been at the otherside of the Galaxy.
That's my thought. He's a guy they apparently send to do their tough border work. I doubt he was just hanging around in the vicinity of anything on the way toward Earth
Captain Jellico was awesome! I've always liked him and found him refreshing. The Enterprise crew, especially Riker, were entitled crybabies who behaved in the most unprofessional way. If anything Jellico was much too lenient on them.
Sometimes I wish we'd had a show with Jellico as Captain and Shelby as his XO.
Sometimes I wish we'd had a show with Jellico as Captain and Shelby as his XO.
Ronny Cox enjoyed playing Jellico, didn't he? I seem to remember reading that he said he had a lot of fun playing the part. And it showed. 
Riker - 'There. Are.Three. Rotations!'
Same thing happened to me, but a long while ago. That's the journey they want you to take. The more you watch it, the more he makes sense
How was the crew, aside from Riker, unprofessional or very unprofessional?
I don't think either Jellico or the crew has to look bad or be unlikeable or in the wrong for the other to look well and be likeable enough. They had difficulties but, aside from Riker who went too far, they eventually all performed well.
Ronny Cox enjoyed playing Jellico, didn't he? I seem to remember reading that he said he had a lot of fun playing the part. And it showed.
Cox is great. It's a shame they couldn't have come up with a variation on the standard uniform for him, though; those tunics were unflattering on older folks and he was probably a decade too old for the look.
In the future, age is irrelevant, since humans can live past 130, folks can work till they are 100.
Sci-fi outfits in general aren't very flattering if you aren't particularly trim. That's why so many of them are needlessly black, to hide the silhouettes of more conventionally-shaped people. Look at Season 1-3 Riker versus seasons 4-7 Riker. Or Scotty. Or that dark-skinned bridge guy on the USS Sutherland. Or pretty much every Earth Force male on Babylon 5 until they changed to the black outfits. Or, and I'm counting myself here, 90% of fans who've worn a correctly-patterned Starfleet costume to a sci-fi convention. :P
Sci-fi costume designs are Hollywood-friendly by default. Otherwise we'd probably have everyone in Starfleet wearing fancy looking BDUs and being done with it.
Mark
Sci-fi costume designs are Hollywood-friendly by default. Otherwise we'd probably have everyone in Starfleet wearing fancy looking BDUs and being done with it.
Mark
Mmmm
I didn't notice anything too bad about the way he looked.
He looked better than 70% of the under thirty people now a days.
I'll have to google an image of him.
Do you have something specifically that was bad?
Sometimes he looked kind of hunch, & sometimes he looked kind of paunch. Not everyone is built like Patrick Stewart in their mid-fifties. I'm not saying he looks terrible, but the Picard velour coat below might have looked better
Okay,Sometimes he looked kind of hunch, & sometimes he looked kind of paunch. Not everyone is built like Patrick Stewart in their mid-fifties. I'm not saying he looks terrible, but the Picard velour coat below might have looked better
I'm sort a partial to Picard though
But yea, Jellico was no Picard.
But I thought he looked okay.
Oh, he looked fine. The outfit just isn't all that flattering on him, like the way it fits on Picard. I think if they'd given Jellico that velour coat, which Picard also wore occasionally, he'd have looked 1000 times better in that. Then there'd also be a precedent for that outfit being an alternative regulation look for other captains too. I kind of like that jacket/gray shit combo. I would certainly favor that option myself
I think you mean "shirt" not the other thing.
Regardless, I like the combination better than the usual "shirt only" option, but I think I would have added coloured piping or collar and/or shoulders to the gray undershirt and kept the jacket for away team wear,.
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