The Captain Edward Jellico Appreciation Society Thread!

[Makarov]

In All Good Things in the past era, Picard gets the crew to follow him on a crazy mission without knowing him and without telling them anything. He knows just chain of command is not effective at a certain point in the situation and ultimately his pep talk "gets it done."

With situations reversed I doubt Picard would just sacrifice a senior member, safety of his crew has been paramount. Instead we would get a story in which Picard does not stop but figures out a way to accomplish a rescue without starting the war.

 

[BillJ]

With situations reversed I doubt Picard would just sacrifice a senior member, safety of his crew has been paramount. Instead we would get a story in which Picard does not stop but figures out a way to accomplish a rescue without starting the war.

You mean exactly like Jellico did? That was part of the terms Gul Evek agreed to when departing the nebula.

JELLICO: Excellent. Oh, and one more thing. I understand you're holding a Starfleet officer named Jean-Luc Picard. I expect him returned. immediately.

So Jellico stopped a war, kept a political advantage from the Cardassians and saved Picard. What else could you possible expect from him?

It seems people that dislike Jellico, dislike him because he isn't Picard.

Now take this exchange...

PICARD: Acknowledged. Commander Riker will conduct a manual docking. Picard out.
RIKER: Sir?
PICARD: You've reported in, haven't you? You are qualified?
RIKER: Yes, sir.
PICARD: Then I mean now, Commander.

What kind of relationship do you believe Picard and Riker would've had if Riker had decide to not do it and not inform Picard for several hours? Riker would've been immediately dumped back on the Hood.

 

[Makarov]

I don't dislike Jellico I just recognize his inability to lead the crew caused a waste of time and morale drain during the mission and the responsibility is on him. Other captains have their own weaknesses. He did ask for Picard back at the end after previously giving up on him, but which is not really the same as the lengths Picard would go to protect the crew.

 

[BillJ]

He did ask for Picard back at the end after previously giving up on him, but which is not really the same as the lengths Picard would go to protect the crew.

Results are results. But, do you really think Picard would've sent a strike force in, phasers blazing, to save a single person when the stakes are a war that could kill millions of Federation citizens?

I think more highly of Picard than that.

 

[Paradise City]

I had wondered why Starfleet Command did not just give Riker command instead of bringing in Jellico. In hindsight it was the right decision. Had Riker been in command he would have placed Picard's life over that of the mission, which would have caused a war in which thousands would have died. "A futile manuever. Incorrect strategy, Number One, to risk your crew and ship to retrieve only one man. Picard would never have approved."

Riker would've made the right decision on that, ultimately, if he had been captain. He eventually did so in Times Arrow -- although it took a bit of cajoling from Worf and Troi to ditch Picard to save the timeline.

Riker is just plain antagonised by Jellico -- so he digs his heels in, lol.

 

[Nyotarules]

In one of the deleted scenes Deanna tells Jellico that the Cardassians will torture Captain Picard for information, Jellico agrees so he asks Deanna to contact Starfleet Command and have them change any sensitive codes that Picard had access to, just in case. Deanna is not pleased. - Again Jellico is in the right here. He is made out to be the bad guy in the scene, but of course Starfleet should change his command codes. I am surprised Starfleet had not done so before sending Picard on the mission, just in case.

Not sure it if is intentional, but too many times Starfleet is presented as an organisation run by idiots. For alleged explorers they are better off staying on Earth. Any command officer captured by the enemy or missing in action should have their codes deleted immediately. Its another plot hole of Star Trek 09 when Robau and Pike were captured.

 

[BillJ]

Not sure it if is intentional but too many times Star-fleet is presented as an organisation run by idiots. For alleged explorers they are better off staying on Earth. Any command officer captured by the enemy or missing in action should have their codes deleted immediately. Its another plot hole of Star Trek 09 when Robau and Pike were captured.

Just something from a past era that they have a hard time of letting go. Starfleet should be advanced enough that not only do you need the codes, but you also have to authenticate who you are. Like Kirk did with the retina scan.

The codes shouldn't just be a key that anyone can use.

 

[RAMA]

Jellico was probably a decent captain, he just paled in comparison to Picard.

 

[Tenacity]

I had wondered why Starfleet Command did not just give Riker command instead of bringing in Jellico.

Given how many times Riker turned down a first command, maybe Starfleet had developed suspecions that Riker wasn't command material.

 

[suarezguy]

I don't know if anyone realized this but I believe Troi actually wears a proper uniform for the rest of the series after the Chain of Command episodes. So apparently Jellico had some influence on her....

Afterward she alternated between the standard and casual uniform, she seems to indeed have come to think that the former was more appropriate some of the time.

 

[Lynx]

I must admit that I didn't really like Jellico but I do find it admirable that someone starts an Appreciation Society and an Appreciation Thread for him. That's true fan spirit!

 

[Nyotarules]

Jellico was probably a decent captain, he just paled in comparison to Picard.

Based on one day or one week in universe experience of the character compared to seeing Picard in action for numerous years. Very objective analysis......not.

 

[Nakita Akita]

Based on one day or one week in universe experience of the character compared to seeing Picard in action for numerous years. Very objective analysis......not.

In all fairness, Picard had a better body.

 

[Mojochi]

In All Good Things in the past era, Picard gets the crew to follow him on a crazy mission without knowing him and without telling them anything. He knows just chain of command is not effective at a certain point in the situation and ultimately his pep talk "gets it done."

You're overlooking that Picard still had an intimate understanding of the people, even though they didn't know him yet. He knew THEM, & even said as much to them. That's an advantage Jellico didn't have. He was a complete stranger. The chain of command is all he had to function within

Riker would've made the right decision on that, ultimately, if he had been captain. He eventually did so in Times Arrow -- although it took a bit of cajoling from Worf and Troi to ditch Picard to save the timeline.

And that is certainly possible, even though the position he backed up, to the point of insubordination, was clearly the wrong move. However, if I'm at command, deciding who to have head up this (asinine) mission, am I picking the guy who'll eventually go with the right call, once everybody corrals him into it, or do I want the guy who knows exactly what must be done immediately, & takes it on in full force?

I don't dislike Jellico I just recognize his inability to lead the crew caused a waste of time and morale drain during the mission and the responsibility is on him.

And what I'm saying is that if there even was any waste of time, (Which I don't necessarily agree there was) it would've been because of morale drain, and the minute they reassigned Picard & put in someone no one wanted, to do a job no one recognized the demands of, morale drain was inevitable. This was going to be an unpleasant deal no matter how you deal it

If I'm Jellico, & I know I'm coming in to replace a beloved leader, against everyone's wishes, on a mission no one is going to like, & will probably fail anyhow... I'm already expecting resistance from the crew. The question becomes, how do I handle that, coddle them so their feelings aren't hurt, or expect them to just remember they have a uniform on? The responsibility for the awkwardness of this is on high command deciding to do this in the 1st place

 

[Gojira]

Just watched the episode. I liked the scene where both Riker and Jellico spoke freely how they felt toward one another and I think both had good points. I like that Jellico did what he felt was necessary and didn't take no for an answer. He was a strong leader. At the same time Riker was right in that Jellico did not inspire loyalty or create a space where the crew would do anything for him. Riker, for his part, did have a chip on his shoulder and was resistant from the start and really didn't give Jellico a chance.

 

[Handsomeyoungensign]

My first post here and was actualy brought to the forum looking up theeopisode. I have been very active politically in Canada in yiuth and developed a knack for negotiation. The negotiation piece here is truly the jewel of the episode. Kicks even dialogue from Klingon butt. The body language. The tactic and temperature in the observation lounge. I dont think ive seen better of any TNG. remarkable

 

[Handsomeyoungensign]

Sorry as Ive joined the discussion late; i, as im sure many others on this forum, have serious hesitations on this episode for that particular reason (sending Enterprise D to conduct these negotiations) i just did my first post to this forum with a resounding HECK yes for Jelicos style.. I am wondering if there are other threads concerning the mission and a more truistic feel to which ship wouldve been sent and which team wouldve been sent. I gather wouldnt have been the one to go but certainly his shuttle knowldge wouldve been good for something other than laying mines is there another such thread? And apologie for off Jellico remarks here. THX

Maybe I should have qualified a little further.
Starfleet has military and science missions. The USS Enterprise was not a warship. They have the Dreadnought class for that. The USS Enterprise has been a flagship vessel of exploration, not a battleship. Now, that does not preclude the Enterprise from engaging in battle. It has to be prepared for that. And it has been... we've seen it go into battle before. But it's not the primary mission.

Anytime a vessel has a commander, he sets the tone and structure for how his command will be. The crew acclimates to it. It doesn't happen in just a few days. It takes time. Jellico came on board and started making drastic changes, expecting the crew to fall in line in just one day. And for what? Is it common practice for a Starfleet vessel to operate on a 4 shift rotation? What's wrong with 3 shifts? Certainly the Enterprise crew demonstrated their ability to handle it. Yes, the Enterprise doesn't end up in battle, because Jellico manages to negotiate well enough to avoid it. But had they gone into battle, I'll bet anything that the main structure is a 3 shift rotation, but other crew members will do double-shifts in a pinch.

Jellico made a demand upon the ship that didn't seem to be truly warranted. He didn't make any kind of clear assessment that the crew couldn't handle the job with a 3 shift rotation. It's Jellico who is used to operating things that way and wanted to make the change purely because of that. Jellico can't rip everything apart in short notice and expect it all to run smoothly.


It's not nonsense. TDY or permanent, they'd have the same ceremony. Jellico was taking over for an undisclosed period of time, not "in a pinch." I know that Starfleet didn't specify it as TDY, but it ended up being so. Wasn't that their intention all along? Or were they expecting that the chances of Picard returning weren't very good? If Picard is one of the best Starfleet captains, why "throw him away" on such a mission, when he's a very valuable asset? I think they had great trust in Picard and expected that he would return.

Anyway, I won't push this part. It's not as important as the other point about readiness and Jellico's unwillingness to be flexible with the situation.

Entenman's makes a pretty good lemon poppy seed cake.

 

[James T Kirk]

He was great. The ENterprise was just butthurt PIcard left. Jellico was an absolute beast/

 

[Devilpogostick]

I do think Jellico is a good captain. But of course, if the crew didn't resist him, we get no episode.

If anyone wants to point fingers, point at Starfleet command for replacing Picard with Jellico. Even then, they probably had faith in Jellico in getting crap done.

I do think if given enough time, he would have earn some respect. He's not gonna be your best pal, but he'll certainly have your back when he finds a way.

 

[Handsomeyoungensign]

Echo these comments. Except for was 'too lenient' but true wouldve been good to see someone as in Admiral Quinns guy. Whats his name Remmick? As an accompanying stiff to ensure crew adapt

Captain Jellico was awesome! I've always liked him and found him refreshing. The Enterprise crew, especially Riker, were entitled crybabies who behaved in the most unprofessional way. If anything Jellico was much too lenient on them.

Sometimes I wish we'd had a show with Jellico as Captain and Shelby as his XO.

Ronny Cox enjoyed playing Jellico, didn't he? I seem to remember reading that he said he had a lot of fun playing the part. And it showed.