"Enterprise" too advanced for 22nd Century

[Mark_Nguyen]

For ENT, once I realized that it's about people in 2001 envisioning what the future of 2151 would look like, I was much happier than trying to conceptualize it as what people in 2266 thought life should have looked like over a hundred years ago. I figure I'll do the same thing with DSC.

Mark

 

[Shaka Zulu]

But why do you need to? It's gratuitous. It's nothing more than a lazy, cheap sop to fans. Unless it serves the story Discovery is telling, it should not be there.

This is why I wised that this new show would be set in the Kelvinverse instead and have links to the movies similar to how the Marvel shows have links to the Marvel movies, with a different crew on a different starship (or a crew on a starbase a'la Deep Space Nine), with guest starring appearences by the cast of the movies occasionally. Having two seperate new Star Trek continuities is foolish, IMHO, and is too much like the split between the the DC Comics movies and TV shows.

 

[F. King Daniel]

This is why I wised that this new show would be set in the Kelvinverse instead and have links to the movies similar to how the Marvel shows have links to the Marvel movies, with a different crew on a different starship (or a crew on a starbase a'la Deep Space Nine), with guest starring appearences by the cast of the movies occasionally. Having two seperate new Star Trek continuities is foolish, IMHO, and is too much like the split between the the DC Comics movies and TV shows.

Personally, I'm much happier with the DC approach. It's nice to know that anything can happen on Gotham without it having to be a prequel to the DCEU, whereas something like SHIELD is so heavily bound by various constraints it's amazing they make it as watchable as they do.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Me, too. Gives both the shows and films more room to breathe. I don't want my darling Gotham to be bogged down by movie contraints and cameos and references or what have you.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Personally, I'm much happier with the DC approach. It's nice to know that anything can happen on Gotham without it having to be a prequel to the DCEU, whereas something like SHIELD is so heavily bound by various constraints it's amazing they make it as watchable as they do.

The Marvel shows and movies tell the stories very well, thank you, and because of the links to the movies, the shows work better than what the DC shows are, especially since they're supposed to be a shared universe (just like the comic books they're based on) anyway. Star Trek: Discovery should be the same, instead ofg pandering to (most likely) older fans who don't like the new movies because 'MTV' or 'they're too young for me./millenials should accept Star Trek as it is and put up with it.'

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I want my analog dials and toggle switches! Analog dials and toggle switches are the FUTURE DAMMIT!

Since there are those who still buy vinyl LPs today, I can't say this surprises me.

 

[publiusr]

I want both toggle, levels and flat screen. Mix it all up.

 

[Kor]

Since there are those who still buy vinyl LPs today, I can't say this surprises me.

I just got a bunch the other day, some used and some brand new, to play on my receiver and speaker system from the late 60s/early 70s. They sound nice.

And I'm not of the generation that grew up with vinyl; I grew up with cassettes at first and then mostly CDs. I became a convert to vinyl much later.

Kor

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ That's cool, but you should be aware that the "vinyl" LPs you buy now, are created from digital masters.

 

[cgervasi]

No shields, no tractor beams, no computer voice interface. Slower warp drive. Transporters and universal translators in their infancy, along with "phase weapons" and "photonic" torpedoes. The sets have handholds everywhere, indicating that the artificial gravity is unreliable.

• Shields - I rarely felt like the hall plating was less effective than the shields.
• No Tractor Beams - I liked this.
• No Computer Voice Interface - I liked this.
• Slower Warp - I rarely felt like the galaxy was bigger because of the slower speeds. I rarely felt like going to a place like Vulcan was a longer trek and a bigger deal than in TOS.
• Transporters - I liked that they were less reliable, but I think I would prefer they didn't exist. I would have liked it to seem more invovled to operate as in The Cage.
• UT - I liked this.
• Phase Weapons - It felt like they just changed the name. I never felt like they were inferior to Kirk's phaser.
• Photonic Torpedoes - It felt like just a name change
• Handholds - I didn't actually notice them specifically, but I did get a little more feeling space travel was new, not as much as I would expect, though, given how far before Kirk it was.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Shields - I rarely felt like the hall plating was less effective than the shields.

Operates at "needs of the plot".

Slower Warp - I rarely felt like the galaxy was bigger because of the slower speeds. I rarely felt like going to a place like Vulcan was a longer trek and a bigger deal than in TOS.

Going to Vulcan was a minor course correction in TOS.

Phase Weapons - It felt like they just changed the name. I never felt like they were inferior to Kirk's phaser.

More "needs of the plot". It's a beam weapon. You fire and the bad guy goes down. It doesn't matter what its called.

Photonic Torpedoes - It felt like just a name change

"needs of the plot" again. No different than TOS to TNG.

 

[Kor]

Maybe they should have had guns with bullets instead of energy weapons.

Kor

 

[at Quark's]

• No Computer Voice Interface - I liked this.

We already have almost achieved a more primitive version of this today (not yet with the degree of freedom the TNG era computers allow for in natural speech commands, but only in limited areas), and it looked like we would achieve what we have today in the not too distant future at the time ENT was made, so I don't think adding a (perhaps slightly more primitive than TNG era) form of computer voice interface would have particularly hurt the credibility of 'less advanced tech'. Also because the UT doesn't exist as of yet, but is clearly in its formative stages during the ENT era.

I generally agree with your other points.

 

[cgervasi]

Maybe they should have had guns with bullets instead of energy weapons.
Kor

I like this idea. Particle beam weapons could be have been like digital cameras in the 90s. The quality wasn't as good as film, but it was rapidly increasing. For serious photography, film was the only choice, but digital was the way of the future, 10 years away from being as good and 15 years away from being the only mainstream choice.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Maybe they should have had guns with bullets instead of energy weapons.

Kor

Aren't projectile weapons problematic in a spaceship?

 

[Kor]

Aren't projectile weapons problematic in a spaceship?

I guess so. Maybe they could have been paintball guns. Those things actually hurt pretty bad, and leave big welts and bruises on the skin.

Kor

 

[Nerys Myk]

I guess so. Maybe they could have been paintball guns. Those things actually hurt pretty bad, and leave big welts and bruises on the skin.

Kor

Clean up on deck 12.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Throwaway references are fun--Enterprise used them to great effect. Hearing "Vega Colony" referred to on Enterprise always made me smile and think of The Cage. But I guess those were lazy, cheap sops (no hyperbole there!) used by lazy cheap writers. If only Christopher L. Bennett had been in the writers room to fix their mistakes.

TC

References to other ships or character's adventures is world-building--a basic tool in fiction, particularly in a shared universe. Its absurd to think mentioning Pike's mission(s) is gratuitous to any degree, as the one constant of Star Trek is that there are exceptional crews, ships, or both, hence the reason the Klingons (for one example) were keenly aware of Kirk & the Enterprise. Again, its world-building, but then again, we know there are some alleged ST fans that cannot stand even a minor reference to TOS as if anything they are supporting now would be in production if not for TOS' neverending status & popularity being the fuel of the franchise. Its certainly not being kept alive by the Rick Berman era.

 

[Mytran]

• Transporters - I liked that they were less reliable, but I think I would prefer they didn't exist. I would have liked it to seem more invovled to operate as in The Cage.

In The Cage, two Engineers manned the console.
In Enterprise, the console was a quarter of the size and any passing crewman could do it. Hell, even Hoshi took a turn in one episode!
Making Transporter technology more cutting edge and specialised (required a whole team, even an offscreen one to operate) would have gone a long way in integrating this Trekkie plot device into the series (assuming that the suits demanded it HAD to be there at all).

 

[Tuskin38]

In Enterprise, the console was a quarter of the size

The pad was also smaller.