Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

[Christopher]

I love The Flash. I consider it the best of the CW superhero shows. But when there are plot holes, I like to discuss them and try to understand them.

I realized decades ago that there was no way to make any coherent sense of the DC or Marvel universes, and just to accept them as fantasy and suspend my critical thinking skills. The scientific and logical absurdity of those universes is part of their charm. And part of the charm of the Berlanti DC shows is that they embrace that absurdity more wholeheartedly, nonjudgmentally, and unapologetically than just about any other live-action superhero show I've ever seen. Most shows and films either try to tone down and "ground" the universes (as Arrow did for its first couple of years) or to portray their crazier elements as something to satirize and scorn. These shows just go for it.

 

[Snaploud]

There's another theory online that Savitar is keeping the real Iris for himself and that he killed a fake Iris to keep himself from being wiped from existence.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Time doesn't work like that.

Killing iris 4 years early is probably a more destructive paradox than not killing her ever.

However.

Savatar said that he had already killed Iris in 2021.

Which would be his past.

That because of the loop, is both his past and his future, unless he's lying.

The loop is bull shit.

Savatar is trying to save Iris in four years from his younger self, by pretending to kill Iris now.

Meh?

 

[Romulan_spy]

Pure speculation on season finale:

There's another theory online that Savitar is keeping the real Iris for himself and that he killed a fake Iris to keep himself from being wiped from existence.

I think that theory is based on a clip in the trailer where we see Savatar talking to Iris which would imply that she is still alive. Plus, the theory would explain how Savatar could kill Iris when he has all the memories of loving her since they were kids. As Killer Frost alluded to in her talk with Savatar, as broken as Savatar is, surely he still feels something for Iris. Sure, he wants to preserve his own existence but killing Iris should still be difficult for him to do.

The problem I have with this theory is that it seems to cheapen the emotions of the characters. Since we learned that Iris would be killed by Savatar, the characters, especially Barry, Iris and Joe have been tortured over the impeding tragedy. And they have wrestled with how to stop it. It would feel cheap to just spring a "surprise! You tormented yourself for nothing. it was a fake Iris that died all along. She's fine".

 

[The Old Mixer]

Right now, effing Legends of Tomorrow makes more sense

Now that's just crazy talk.

 

[TalonCard]

As I said, it's hardly exclusive to this show; it's been a standard trope of most of the time-travel-themed TV shows of the past decade. So we should be used to it by now.

But you know what? It's still kind of fun to observe the inconsistencies. But I guess since you're the only one here who has seen any time travel shows in the last decade, people should stop doing it. As someone who apparently finds value in making similar observations over and over no matter the relevance or worth to anyone listening, I thought you would understand that better. Oh well.

TC

 

[sojourner]

Funny enough, I think both Flash and Arrow could benefit from more villain of the week episodes. Or at least villains that only last for a few episodes to balance out the overall season arc. Arrow has been particularly bad with too many episodes spent on Chase/Prometheus.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I like the Agents of SHIELD model...multiple tight arcs per season. Feels like you're getting two or three seasons of a shorter-season cable show. And not as many random interruptions in the Winter/Spring.

Been doing 50th anniversary watches of various shows from the 1966-67 TV season. Back then, they ran 26-30 episode seasons, but they were done in mid-April because there were less interruptions.

 

[Finn]

The stashing Iris at ARGUS...easy. it won't affect Savitar's suit. And as for King Shark's hand...it's biological.

I was perplexed by them hanging around in that room on Earth-2....as if they wanted Savitar to show up. Why didn't they go off to other part of that Earth Savitar knows nothing about, like someone's hunting cabin in the Andes. It would take him a while to search for Iris....and he was on a tight window...

AND...

How would they be more successful in four years with that bazooka thing? Savitar would still remember it and make precautions. The 2021 Barry would have warned him about the calcified speed force thing when he gave him the info about the scientist...

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The stashing Iris at ARGUS...easy. it won't affect Savitar's suit. And as for King Shark's hand...it's biological.

I was perplexed by them hanging around in that room on Earth-2....as if they wanted Savitar to show up. Why didn't they go off to other part of that Earth Savitar knows nothing about, like someone's hunting cabin in the Andes. It would take him a while to search for Iris....and he was on a tight window...

I was perplexed by why they went all the way to Earth 2 and didn't call Jessie for help. Two speedsters would've at least given them a chance of evacuating Iris before Savitar got to her.

 

[Finn]

Isnt Jessie on Earth 3?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Isnt Jessie on Earth 3?

Ok, now I'm confused.

Earth 2 was the retro earth, right? That's where Zoom was from and where Harry Wells was already trying to stop him, so that's Jessie's home.

And Earth 3... was that where Jay was from? I'm blanking on when the last time we saw Jessie was. Did she go to take Jay's place or something?

 

[Finn]

I think I recall Jessie going there after Jay took Wally's place in the Speed purgatory earlier this season.

 

[Christopher]

I think I recall Jessie going there after Jay took Wally's place in the Speed purgatory earlier this season.

That's right. Jesse is native to Earth-2 and was serving as the Flash of Earth-2, but when Jay, the Flash of Earth-3, stayed behind in the Speed Force, Jesse took over for him on his Earth.

Which raises the question of who's protecting Earth-2's Central City. Harry, I guess, but it's not the same as having a speedster. Maybe Jesse's just so good at her job that she ended all crime forever?

 

[Morpheus 02]

But you know what? It's still kind of fun to observe the inconsistencies. But I guess since you're the only one here who has seen any time travel shows in the last decade, people should stop doing it. As someone who apparently finds value in making similar observations over and over no matter the relevance or worth to anyone listening, I thought you would understand that better. Oh well.

TC

You should search my "Cub reporter" argument in a previous season of the Flash. (Assuming you are not suspended)

On the show they made a comment that Iris was called a cub reporter . I mentioned it was nice Superman reference (like earlier when Dr. Wells referred to Barry as a Man of Steel).

Christopher insisted it was a term used in the Journalism field, not just way back when, but today. He completely denied a possibility of yet another Superman Easter egg.

My survey of several friends who were professional journalists revealed not one of them heard that term in the modern workplace. The one person who DID say he heard the term, said he last heard it 30 years ago.

But Christopher insisted....

 

[The Old Mixer]

You should search my "Cub reporter" argument in a previous season of the Flash. (Assuming you are not suspended)

Right the second time. He won't be responding to this.

 

[Snaploud]

Talon turned a dozen threads into a discussion of Christopher's posting style. Talon is gone now. Let it go, please.

 

[Gaith]

"hey, we need to break into a building that dampens metahuman powers"
"Hey, we need a safe place to stash Iris"
Um, first problem solves the second?

No, because S-Barry would have remembered them deciding to do that, just like he remembered Barry deciding to steal the power source, and would have captured/killed Iris before they could get her there.

Was Julian missing all last episode?

I noticed that after watching the ep also. Not even a mention! Very weird.

My own theory is that Iris is legit dead, but they bring her back with the Philosopher's Stone - y'know, the thing that seemed like a super-important MacGuffin early on in the season and hasn't been mentioned in forever, only to suddenly show back up again. After all, the subtitles told us "[X] Hours Until Iris' Death", not HR's or anyone else's. Would the titles lie to us?!

 

[Romulan_spy]

My prediction for tonight's finale: Barry chooses to go into the Speed Force as penance for his mistakes. By making such a noble sacrifice, instead of going down a dark path, he changes his future and Savatar is never created. Undoing Savatar's creation brings Iris back. The show ends with the cliffhanger of a bunch of meta human rogues threatening the city with Barry no where to be found because he is in the speed force. Of course, Barry comes out of the Speed Force at the beginning of next season. I hope my prediction is true because I think it could give us a more mature Barry Allen next season since he has spent time in the Speed Force, learning more about it and gaining wisdom. I think having a more mature, wiser, Flash would be a welcome development in his character arc.

 

[Finn]

And spending time with Jay?