No, the Disease was revolution and freedom, but revolution and freedom did not give him a 5 inch light sabre to play with.
Harry Kim's rape
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No, the Disease was revolution and freedom, but revolution and freedom did not give him a 5 inch light sabre to play with.
It wasn't a disease even though he glowed by the end and refused treatment? Am I remembering the episode right?
Can't find a youtube.
But yes, a consequence of intercourse with this species is a healthy green glow.
They should have just had Janeway bend Harry over and spanked him, it would have been the ultimate butt monkey laugh.
We had already established that he wasn't raped, we've been using the term sexual assault.
Incidentally coercion can constitute rape.
It's been 9 pages.
Season one Tom got accused of murdering his girlfriend's husband.
There's less calamity, if they all keep it in their pants.
On a side note.
The Killing Game.
Neelix probably had a lot of sex with klingon holograms and crew brainwashed into thinking that they are Klingon, even after his real memories were returned, because he was too polite to stop them all using him like a ragdoll with any accernticity.
Also the Doctor should have been able to recover the lost memories of those pretend lives, if the crew felt that their timelines were less without including that weird month, in their life history.
Season one Tom got accused of murdering his girlfriend's husband.
There's less calamity, if they all keep it in their pants.
On a side note.
The Killing Game.
Neelix probably had a lot of sex with klingon holograms and crew brainwashed into thinking that they are Klingon, even after his real memories were returned, because he was too polite to stop them all using him like a ragdoll with any accernticity.
Also the Doctor should have been able to recover the lost memories of those pretend lives, if the crew felt that their timelines were less without including that weird month, in their life history.
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Season one Tom got accused of murdering his girlfriend's husband.
There's less calamity, if they all keep it in their pants.
On a side note.
The Killing Game.
Neelix probably had a lot of sex with klingon holograms and crew brainwashed into thinking that they are Klingon, even after his real memories were returned, because he was too polite to stop them all using him like a ragdoll with any accernticity.
Also the Doctor should have been able to recover the lost memories of those pretend lives, if the crew felt that their timelines were less without including that weird month, in their life history...
There's less calamity, if they all keep it in their pants.
On a side note.
The Killing Game.
Neelix probably had a lot of sex with klingon holograms and crew brainwashed into thinking that they are Klingon, even after his real memories were returned, because he was too polite to stop them all using him like a ragdoll with any accernticity.
Also the Doctor should have been able to recover the lost memories of those pretend lives, if the crew felt that their timelines were less without including that weird month, in their life history...
No offence, but I'm having trouble trying to follow your argument? Despite the threads title, even the original post describes the initial assault as "attempts to rape" rather than rape, and the general consensus has already been that it was sexual assault, and that the Doctor should have treated it as such.
So now you're arguing that even though the Doctor's response is unprofessional, breaks the hipocratic oath, and immoral, it could have been worse?
More like "Love is like a drug." Harry manifests physical withdrawal symptoms from mating with that species. It leads him to do things he wouldn't normally do. I think he says "love is like a disease."
He didn't pick up a communicable disease from her. It sounded like the glowing part also happened when they were together because Harry was all like "Whoaaa....I've never heard of it being done that way before!!!!"
He may have just been unfamiliar with any kind of foreplay though, BC she just shrugs it off.
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You know, I've been thinking about this comment. With China's state media groups partnering with Paramount with a $1 billion dollar investment, Star Trek has become exactly that. I had mused about it in another thread once, and your post made me think of it again. It was a post or two on this page:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/mic...e-in-discovery-possibly-as-lead.285024/page-9
You have to wonder what a totalitarian communist regime would want with media influence over its chief economic customer and rival. Indirectly, or even directly, the Star Trek franchise has crossed the rubicon from entertainment to a political tool - whether that tool is used or not. The moment Paramount signed the contract, its properties became a cooperative media asset of a centrist political regime that very much subscribes to media as a tool of state propaganda, censorship; and unaccountable rule of an elite party over the "worker's paradise" (where you can remain a worker forever). China has been actively interested in influence in the US since the Clintons got into bed with them; and certainly, the Democratic party is no longer the Democratic party of old.
Of course, draw your own conclusions. But here are some facts. China is buying in to major US media markets. China is a totalitarian communist dictatorship that actively censors as well as astroturfs all media formats in order to "manage" public perceptions. (No, it only uses capitalism, it remains in name a Communist closed market, and rules, according to the CCP's own words, "Above its own laws"). Now Roddenberry's La La Land liberal utopia has very factually become something more than entertainment - but an asset - used or not - for political propagandists that answer to another nation's government.
Hey, call me anything you like - them's the facts. And the only people who can be certain of what this means probably just subsist on a steady diet of narratives.
I'm not saying what it means. I'm only saying, who says "Here's a billion dollars, kumbaya go nuts"?
More like, "Here's a billion dollars, now this is what you think."
BTW in exchange, the Shanghai Film Group and Huahua Media would help distribute Paramount's feature films in China, which savagely curtails theater releases of international blockbusters let alone smaller films, to about a dozen a year.
So yeah - for the next few years anyway, Star Trek has become a political property. Whether that means anything to anyone depends on how full of something their wheelbarrow is.
But a political property it is, under the influence of a foreign government - that just so happens to be the same one that has decimated the US economy since the democratic Clinton years. Progress, comrades! Constructivist art is fun to color, but you will stay inside the #$%^ lines!
Beam me up, Scotty
Shanghai Film Group Corporation (& Huahua Media)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Film_Group_Corporation
100% Party Approved and Sanitized for your protection
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A lot of US companies have made deals with the Chinese of a nature you are referring to, and do you want to know why? Because a billion people are a market for American goods. That's right those corporations are doing what capitalists do seeking out a new place to sell their stuff.
As it is it means nothing with regards to Trek-there isn't some control room in Beijing where they tell writers what to write.
In any case China isn't communist an arguably never was.
Communism is a worldwide stateless system that is egalitarian and without classes, nations, or prejudice.
Did General Motors and Ford start imprinting Stalin's will in their cars and trucks because they did business with the Soviet Union in the 1930s?
Sure, China has no editorial input into Paramount films.
This thread has gone more places than Voyager itself, but in all fairness expecting any film or TV production to be completely free of political influence be it "communist" or otherwise is a bit naive.
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Oh, the old tit-for-tat makes everything OK argument. Because the implications in both directions are exactly the same, aren't they. Well - yes, to someone who can't tell the difference, sure. And most of the deals you are referring to are in fact, joint ventures with China's government. Free market? OK, to someone who can't tell the difference. But also - a quick point. Interesting how quickly this very simple post about a business transaction has turned into an unsubstantial ideological impasse. "Let's just agree to disagree," m'okay?
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LOL, there's a big switch in Beijing that tells you when your movie isn't acceptable. It's default setting is "on". But it's all open and free market, isn't it, just like Chairman Xi said it was at Davos. Tsk tsk, America, free market is good. Except - you can't even begin to compare market openness, as an American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai recently reported that most businesses are finding it even more difficult than ever to do business in China. Fact.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...624539060e8_story.html?utm_term=.3844e2934941
The US market is one of the most open in the world. The China market, one of the most closed. Fact.
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"Government. China is a one-party state, with real power lying with the Chinese Communist party. The country is governed under the constitution of 1982 as amended, the fifth constitution since the accession of the Communists in 1949."
www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/world/china-government.html
I don't think they are calling themselves anything else but Communists at this point. Yes, they are using capitalism, but clearly bending it toward one-party service, as evidenced by the previously stated fact and reference.
Now we all know that Communism is BS, just some pretty window dressing on which to hang raw predatory barbarism against a disarmed and gullible populace, but that's beside the point for now. If you ask me, I think China's main ideology is "Dumpology". As in trade, environment, propaganda brigade, noise, education, and border encroachment. But that's not fact, just the opinion of someone who has lived in China for a bloody eternity) Naive? Do you mean, as opposed to the worldwise wisdom of consuming without question, Jedi Master? Indulge yourself. Could you tell the difference?
And - Communism is "without prejudice"? But some can't see how that very statement is a prejudice? Now who's being naive. Communism engenders conformism. Conformism is rank prejudice against diversity and individuality - and what's worse, it ceases reasoning function. What a load of quality manure.
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Stalin is dead, but his crap lives on in North Korea. Is Toyota in the business of supporting ISIS? They seem to like Toyota trucks in the desert. I'm trying to understand your argument here. Propaganda for political oppression is the same thing as marketing for commercial purposes, does that about cover it? OK! To someone who can't tell the difference.
Now is the point where you call western media biased and all the people who believe it suckers, because media is supposed to be centrist propaganda, or something to that effect.
You can rationalize anything - doesn't make it the final word. And funny how China knocks off US scapegoat excuses but cherry picks which other aspects of the US to knock off - neglecting things like social responsibility, internet, free speech, or one's right to be alive, let alone privacy. And I'm not exactly sure how a "government" can rule "above laws" without it being simply "rule of the gun".
But again, to bring this thread back down to Earth (since it's not my job to educate for free), Star Trek is now a political property - and if one wants to consume anything without understanding its origins, one can knock oneself out. Go nuts. What's the worst that could happen?
"Progress!"
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Look, the track was really straight forward:
P1: "Wouldn't it be great if future Trek series stopped playing sexual assault for laughs?"
P2: "No. Why, this reminds me of the time I got told off for being a big fat homophobe in another form!"
P3: "It's coz they're all communist!!"
P2: "No. Why, this reminds me of the time I got told off for being a big fat homophobe in another form!"
P3: "It's coz they're all communist!!"
I foresee it all leading to a happy, non-mod-thumping destination.
The Philosophy of Self Improvement, implies leaning-in to a larger cause to effect a greater good.
By that logic, his moral compass shouldn't be anything like our own. Kim should have slept with Ch'Rega, because it would make her happy. Far happier than it would him sad. Not that it really matters how sad sex with this woman made him, because he should be willing to sacrifice everything to make the universe a little brighter.
By that logic, his moral compass shouldn't be anything like our own. Kim should have slept with Ch'Rega, because it would make her happy. Far happier than it would him sad. Not that it really matters how sad sex with this woman made him, because he should be willing to sacrifice everything to make the universe a little brighter.
Look I'm not a communist but it's very offensive to say it's "BS" people like Rosa Luxemburg for example, Trotsky, he'll even Lenin I respect for the sheer religious devotion they put into it-it takes genuine belief for the rightness of one's cause to fight in the streets or the jungles. Marxism and the movements, ideologies, individuals, and ideas accompanying and surrounding it have a very illustrious and incredible history I imagine your American and so am I we aren't told about just why communism is so popular(or was).
Second everything is political that's life.
Third China isn't communist and hasn't been even if you Stalinist or Maoist definitions since Deng.
Fourth a billion people are a market American corporations won't resist if they wish to survive.
Fifth the world believe or not is more complex than your tiresome diatribes and conspiracism.
Sixth there are no lizard men from Reta Zeticuli sucking out American's babies souls...
Seventh-I actually know a little history, political theory and have some common sense. Perhaps you need to grasp nuances.
Eighth Hollywood is already at a creative dead end-they have run out of things to adapt(there are plenty of book-not enough mass appeal), they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel and doing reboots forever at this point.
Ninth-I'm tired and want to take an early morning shower but I have to respond ahh the Internet.
Tenth all governments are above laws-all societies-barring say communes, contacted tribes, and a smattering of other formations are at their root built on violence. And are maintained and defended by such. No organized state or civilization doesn't have armed men defending it.
Eleventh-have you watched the news the NSA, CIA, FBI and the like have completely eviscerated the fourth amendment and will do the same to the first, second, third, and fifth soon. The tenth already is, the sixth and seventh aren't applied as they should. Well you get the picture.
Twelfth-I'm really tired
Thirteenth-the United States will be going to war with China within the next decade so your jingoism, warmongering, and readiness for nuclear hail fire will be so useful.
Fourteenth-I really really need sleep
Fifteenth-why are we even talking about this
Sixteenth-a lot of countries have market restrictions-big deal.protecting one's own companies and consumers isn't something any country should feel ashamed of.
Seventeenth-out of all political ideologies imagined or emerged in the past 150 years Marxism takes the cake for the most enduringly appealing, diagnostically useful, and utterly pointed like a sword into the hearts and minds of the masses-a longing for a better world.
Eighteenth-I totally am hoping Marine le Pen wins this election in France. Deus Valt!
Nineteenth-the political center is crumbling establishment liberalism and conservatism are breaking down and political polarization is occuring which can only be a good thing.
Twentieth-"All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again." Ecclesiastes-the world turns and has as it always done.
Twenty first-good night and oh I don't want to forget my birth is a month from yesterday.
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Harry Kim and 'improvement' are not familiar with each other.
And the irony of people once again bitching in a Voyager forum about 'minorities' playing their 'card' for special treatment (remember when the Eeeeevil Feminists created Janeway and ruined Star Trek forever? Good times ).
My my, how far we've come in 20 years.
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Erm, I know I'm new, but isn't about this point that someone carries on this argument in its own devoted thread?
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