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Harry Kim's rape

It's only Harry that has to get permission, after what happened in "The Disease" (where from memory I think he disobeyed specific orders). It's actually some continuity, which is very impressive.

I get the feeling that technically you need permission, but generally it's fine -- especially with known species, but Harry is on the naughty list.
 
Seems a bit creepy that Starfleet crewmembers have to have written permission from their captain before they can have sex. As long as it's consensual, what business does the captain have meddling in the sex lives of crewmembers? Even if it's with aliens?
 
Disease.

Pregnancy.

Or how about that time Riker found some prime trim, got all hard and right up in that, happiest time of his life... When really he was tied to a chair and those memories were surgically inserted so that he would wilingly proffer as a Trojan horse who would hand over Enterprise to some clever aliens, who knew that the way to Riker's soul was through his penis.

Which isn't so different from in the VOY: The Disease, where a pretty girl had sex with Harry over and over, so that when he was sleeping it off, she could use his security access to foment an illegal revolution.

If Wang's ding dong dooms a civilization once, shame on Wang, but if Wang's ding dong dooms a civilization twice, shame on Janeway... Harry's private parts are a Prime Directive issue?

This issue is firmly under Janeway's thumb.
 
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@Paul Weaver,

That makes me curious what exactly Harry's crime was in "the Disease" - beyond generally disobeying orders-, that made a permission for such specific situations called for.

There must be a nomer that is more specific than any initiative from Harry (because we see him take initiative without asking), yet less invasive than 'don't sleep with aliens in general without our permission' without additional qualifiers because that would be an inexcusable invasion of his privacy since in its most general terms, that needn't corrupt his functioning as a Starfleet officer,

So what is it? 'Fraternizing with a third party when there are potentially opposing interests' or something like that ?

Put differently. Suppose a US soldier in Afghanistan slept with an Afghani woman and in that specific situation, it made him disobey orders (let's say, helping with a hasty evacuation). He is punished for that, but is it conceivable that his superiors demand that he refrain from any future relations with local girls he might meet, except with the superiors' express permission?

EDIT: I've looked up the script of The Disease and it's not true.

Kim quotes from the "Handbook on Personal Relationships"

KIM: All Starfleet personnel must obtain authorisation from their C.O. as well as clearance from their Medical Officer before initiating an intimate relationship with an alien species.

So this restriction holds for all Starfleet Officers, not just Kim.

Question is: why? Is there any analogy to current (para-)military organisations?
 
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^ Rape or no rape, the scene as is must be one of the weirdest of the whole series. Why would he sleep with her?
 
I don't see how an ultimatum of kill her or have sex with her is "permission"?
It's not an ultimatum he says he has two options one of which is unacceptable-kill her. So to satiate her he says-have sex. It's not a threat nor is it negating the fact Harry isn't interested, it's simply telling Harry to carry out the best option.
 
It's not an ultimatum he says he has two options one of which is unacceptable-kill her. So to satiate her he says-have sex. It's not a threat nor is it negating the fact Harry isn't interested, it's simply telling Harry to carry out the best option.

But he's still telling Kim to sleep with someone he doesn't want to. Its the equivalent of a girl being harrased on a night club dancefloor, and being told to go home with him. It's not technically rape, but it's totally not ok either.
 
It's not an ultimatum he says he has two options one of which is unacceptable-kill her. So to satiate her he says-have sex. It's not a threat nor is it negating the fact Harry isn't interested, it's simply telling Harry to carry out the best option.

But he's still telling Kim to sleep with someone he doesn't want to. Its the equivalent of a girl being harrased on a night club dancefloor, and being told to go home with him. It's not technically rape, but it's totally not ok either.

Amazing the things you have to explain
 
It's perfectly sensible to require medical clearance and even CO approval to have sex with an alien race. CO approval could very well be a discretionary thing that Janeway found Necessary because of where they were, and because of incidents back in season 1. Starfleet officers have to follow a UCMJ. They can't just do whatever the hell they want.

In that episode where Kim falls in love, he got in trouble for a few factors.

-Medical approval-and he became an example of why it's necessary

-CO approval- Janeway was trying to maintain positive diplomatic relations with a xenophobic race.

-Kim repeatedly disobeyed orders AFTER his predicament and "disease" was made known.

-Personal reasons. Janeway was very protective of Kim, and treated him more strictly than she would have others. She admits this at the end and apologizes for it.
 
Seems a bit creepy that Starfleet crewmembers have to have written permission from their captain before they can have sex. As long as it's consensual, what business does the captain have meddling in the sex lives of crewmembers? Even if it's with aliens?

Everyone onboard dying painfully from Electro-gonorrhea?
 
She broke skin with her teeth.

Which is penetration.

His mouth is an erogenous zone.

So she penetrated an erogenous zone.

Without permission.

Against extreme obstruction.
 
How well did they cure Kim of the cosmic clap in the Disease?

If it was incurable, and they are merely suppressing the symptoms, then he's still an infectious carrier, even if the disease does almost practically nothing than make his cock and balls glow in the dark, which must be very useful if he's ever lost in the wilderness and they don't have any flashlights.

If he's glow dick positive, Janeway must make a political decision about which races she is willing to go to war with after casually introducing this luminescent STD into their vomit of possible diseases, by allowing Harry to express the love in his heart for some dippy girl physically.

Dudes been quarantined by his own moral recognizance?
 
How well did they cure Kim of the cosmic clap in the Disease?

If it was incurable, and they are merely suppressing the symptoms, then he's still an infectious carrier, even if the disease does almost practically nothing than make his cock and balls glow in the dark, which must be very useful if he's ever lost in the wilderness and they don't have any flashlights.

If he's glow dick positive, Janeway must make a political decision about which races she is willing to go to war with after casually introducing this luminescent STD into their vomit of possible diseases, by allowing Harry to express the love in his heart for some dippy girl physically.

Dudes been quarantined by his own moral recognizance?
It wasn't a disease. The episode title is symbolic for being lovesick. There's no space aids(spaids), cosmic clap, or any other STD involved.
 
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