Harry Kim's rape

[Guy Gardener]

Klingon love poems = Sexual assault instructions.

Also wouldn't the Universal translator clean up the language if the poetry got too graphic?

 

[Spot261]

If you go by Klingon cultural standards she was just flirting with him.

This misses the point of the complaint though. It matters not what Klingon cultural standards are in universe, the point is what is being portrayed is a real world issue reduced to comedy fare in a show which purpotes to use allegory to explore such issues.

Differing cultural norms have been blamed variously in the media and society for a fair few sex offences in recent years. If trek were going to go down that route and actually explore the issue using the established archetypes of it's own alien races then I'd applaud that. That isn't what happened here, the reality is the writers reduced it to farce for comic relief, I actually watch that scene half expecting Kenneth Williams to appear saying "oooh matron" wearing a rubber forehead.

It was crass, it was cheap, it was poorly executed and it missed an opportunity to deal meaningfully with difficult material. To top it off it wasn't even funny. I find it hard to believe many watched the scene and actually laughed.

Not sure where the whole communism derail came from though. Unless not raping is somehow now a political statement against Western society the connection is hard to see. More likely it was intended to distract us from the failings in an already fairly bizarre argument.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If all she wants is another baby...

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Ch'Rega didn't actually have to #### him.

All she needed was Harry's DNA to make a binary clone.

Oh.

What's that in her mouth?

SERIOUSLY!!

LOOK IN HER MOUTH!!!!!

LOOK IN HER MOUTH!!!!!

So?

Maybe It was never her intention to rape him physically? And maybe she spat Kim's blood into a test tube after Ch'Rega beamed back home, so that 5 months later, she did have his baby, whether that was plan A or plan B, there's a high probability that this woman got what she wanted, similar to that Time Seska almost got what she wanted, when what she wanted was a bun in her oven.

 

[Refuge]

If you go by Klingon cultural standards she was just flirting with him.

And no I don't think we're all bowing to Chinese overlords.

Voth that was not supposed to be the reply I was gonna get every time, lol.

Thanks

 

[Guy Gardener]

America owes China 3 trillion dollars.

The least you could do is bow, now and then.

B'Elanna was raped in the pilot.

Caretaker almost had her baby.

Vorik forcefully inserted horny thoughts into her brain so that she would want to kiss him.

Someone else snuck up, and put a holocaust in her brain in Remember.

In Faces, the lad vivisecting B'Elanna, wanted a consensual relationship, but was also a little afraid that she was going to beat him to death, if he released her shackles to receive all the sex that she was offering.

The observers in scientific method, where shooting her up with sex hormones and adrenalin, so that they could watch her grind against Paris for hours.

Core B'Elanna didn't have access to her memories from the first month in The Killing Game, but she had a half Nazi baby in her belly. It's possible that she was pretending to be into the Nazi, but it's also possible that there was institutional rape, where a subordinate is incapable of refusing a pass, but she could have tricked him into thinking that that was what he doing, to win the war and save France.

As mentioned earlier Vis a Vis. Some dirtbag wearing Tom's face.

Workforce seems like there should have been something that happened, but did it?

 

[Trekkin]

Workforce seems like there should have been something that happened, but did it?

It'd be on the brainwashers. You can't force or manipulate otherwise nonconsenting people into sex, even if you don't physically take part. Admittedly, it's usually easier to nail them with other charges like assault or negligence. Diffivulties in establishing mens rea, and all that.

The participants themselves are all victims. Even the workers with their memories were mislead as to the identity of their partners.

 

[E-DUB]

I don't think that every single inter-species action requires medical approval, just ones with new species that haven't yet been evaluated for compatibility. A human meets a Klingon and it's "Let the good times roll." Although you may get a warning about broken limbs.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yes, logically, that seems what should be, however dialogue in this specific episode said that Harry needed to fill out a form, that the Captain would have to rubber stamp, if he wanted to make love to a Klingon.

Although it wasn't said, it could be because these Klingons have been separated from the rest of the herd for 200 years, that they have a different set of standard "stuff" than the Klingons back home.

UM.

Augment plague?

Do the dates match up?

Nehret

Nope.

Never mind.

Oh.

The augment plague would have cured Nehret.

 

[Paul Weaver]

I don't think that every single inter-species action requires medical approval, just ones with new species that haven't yet been evaluated for compatibility. A human meets a Klingon and it's "Let the good times roll." Although you may get a warning about broken limbs.

However the doctor, when he was telling him his only choice was to be raped, thought that Klingon/human sex required permission.

I doubt very much Ezri and Julian got permission in DS9, and what about Worf-K'eyler?

 

[borgboy]

I would expect there's a database to consult as to which species have been cleared to have sex, so Ezri and Julian were probably already aware that Trills and humans had long ago been approved. It wouldn't need to be done every time two individuals hooked up.

 

[Voth commando1]

There was no permission slip for B'lanna and Paris so I imagine the whole you need a doctor's permission thing was just something used by the writers to beat Harry with.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Doctor needs a complete medical history.

You've seen the medical drama shitty episode (House, ER, whatever.) where it takes some dipshit 40 minutes to tell the Doctor that they just got back for a month in the Congo or India, because the illness afflicting that person is impossible to diagnose without knowing that they've maybe been recently bitten by a flea from a very different part of the planet, or drunk the less than clean water from half a world away.

"If your lover was human, this would be classified as abuse, and someone would be gong to the brig. But since your girlfriend is Klingon, a broken bone now and then is a mushy valentine."

 

[Refuge]

Here's a radical thought. Harry could have gone to the Captain or Tuvok and a made an official complaint. Maybe he didn't take it so seriously as what has been projected upon him.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Here's a radical thought. Harry could have gone to the Captain or Tuvok and a made an official complaint. Maybe he didn't take it so seriously as what has been projected upon him.

Maybe he was embarrassed. His "I slipped in the shower" sounds very much like "I fell down the stairs" when explaining a black eye your husband gave you.

80% of women who are raped or sexually assaulted don't report it to the police. I imagine the number for men is even higher.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Here's a radical thought. Harry could have gone to the Captain or Tuvok and a made an official complaint. Maybe he didn't take it so seriously as what has been projected upon him.

What's going to happen if all the visiting Klingons, all 400 of them, are confined to quarters?

They'll get pissy, break out, takeover the ship, slaughter the crew and space the inedible bits they can't make clothes or baubles from.

Kim saved Voyager by not reporting himself being violated.

 

[Refuge]

Right.. all 400 Klingons were on heat and after Harry? That's a lot of permission slips the Doctor would've had to write out.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Doctor can grow more arms when necessary.

This is what happens when a minority is proven to be disruptive, their rights are reduced and reduced, until they have none at all.

A few rapes, a couple murders, and constant drunken brawling.

Universal Klingonese house arrest was a fact quickly waiting to happen, unless Janeway found some where to dump them fast.

 

[Voth commando1]

These Klingons honestly should never have been allowed on the ship to begin with.

 

[at Quark's]

^They forced Janeway to take them on the ship by blowing up their own. What else could Janeway have done? Let them suffocate in cold blood in the vacuum of outer space or perish in the explosion? (I think it it unlikely a century-old Klingon warship would have sufficient escape pods for all of them- don't even think such a ship was intended for a population of 204, and that's not even considering the Klingon philosophy of never running from a battle etc.)

I think the only other viable alternative would have been to keep them in the cargo bay and then drop them ASAP on the first habitable planet they found.

 

[Guy Gardener]

We found out in Counterpoint that transporter suspension is only good for a couple weeks until the pattern degrades, for anyone other than James Montgomery Scott, but it's not like these sorts of people would notice a few missing chromosomes.

Did Janeway still have the hybernation pods her crew napped in during Voy One? Or how about using Hirogen brain washing to leave the Klingon's all placidly doing something untroublesome on the holodeck for a couple months, like foolishinly believing that they are erudite Vulcans studying logic?