Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!

[kitik]

I suspect we may get a little title card that says "twenty years later" and then we'll see Carl and Judith leading some group of survivors.

We'll get a line about how the older walkers started to deteriorate and fall apart naturally after 5-10 years of not eating. New ones would still be created with each human death, but the overall walker population would fall drastically.

The French are our last hope. They kept working on understanding the virus even after everyone else had given up.

Nah, I don't think Kirkman was a big fan of that inclusion. And if the French were going to come up with something, they would have succeeded by now.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

"The Other Side"--

Gimple needs a vacation--could this episode be more of a checklist we've seen before? The quickie heart-to-heart between Sasha and Rosita all but screamed "farewell" / "make something of your life." It still does not justify all of Rosita's spitting hatred toward too many people for the past two seasons.

Sasha's farewell was abrupt and nonsensical; while I agree that the character had not had much of a purpose since Tyreese's death / her anger reaction to it, she suddenly gives up everything for Rosita? Or assuming Maggie relies on Jesus, so she's outlived her usefulness? I guess that's what we get for a character that was never properly developed (Gimple, again) beyond reacting to loved ones' death (Tyreese, Bob & Abraham).

Eugene's refusal to go. Either he's playing an angle--as Rosita believed--or he's exactly what others thought of him. Problem with that is he's a walking encyclopedia, and despite his cowardice, one wonders if he's willing to endure the Saviors all for some grand scheme down the road. Will Sasha's death (I cannot imagine Negan will not force him to watch her execution as a potent reminder) inspire him to finally go into action?

Finally, Maggie said what I pointed out back in S7E1: Daryl is not to blame for Negan killing Glenn. Aside from the fact the showrunners decided to kill Glenn back during season five's production, Glenn would have died in one way or another, whether Daryl punched Negan or not. However, this season, Daryl has been reduced to Mr. Violent Impulsive Dumbass, with his mindless desire to kill the Savior in the shed and general "balls to the wall" attitude. What would that accomplish, other than Simon eventually looking for a missing man, and if found dead, Hilltop goes bye bye--or at least more innocent people die? Adding to that, after Maggie tenderly asked for his help, he goes to the Savior compound alone? Unless Enid told Daryl about Sasha & Rosita's mission, and he was following to help, his going alone is yet another act of Mr. Violent Impulsive Dumbass.

I guess Negan will pay a visit to the ASZ in the next episode...

 

[sojourner]

Looks like Sonequa got a big episode before leaving for Star Trek Discovery.

 

[jbny67]

after Maggie tenderly asked for his help, he goes to the Savior compound alone? Unless Enid told Daryl about Sasha & Rosita's mission, and he was following to help, his going alone is yet another act of Mr. Violent Impulsive Dumbass.

That's if it was Daryl in that scene.

 

[Silvercrest]

Did we just watch Sasha's farewell, or will they show us what happens inside?

 

[Trekker4747]

Finally, Maggie said what I pointed out back in S7E1: Daryl is not to blame for Negan killing Glenn. Aside from the fact the showrunners decided to kill Glenn back during season five's production, Glenn would have died in one way or another, whether Daryl punched Negan or not.

Yes, Daryl shouldn't blame himself for Glenn's death because the show runners decided to kill him years ago. Darryl should know this and also know everything that happens is out of his control because some things are going to happen one way or another dependent on the events of an ethereal universe that doesn't exist to him.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Yes, Daryl shouldn't blame himself for Glenn's death because the show runners decided to kill him years ago. Darryl should know this and also know everything that happens is out of his control because some things are going to happen one way or another dependent on the events of an ethereal universe that doesn't exist to him.

Meaning the silly WD fans who blamed Daryl for Glenn as if Glenn somehow was meant to / had a chance to survive, when his death plan was set in motion over two years ago, and fans knew he was on schedule for the comic death. So blaming Daryl is ignoring production facts everyone knew was coming.

In story, my point is that MAGGIE does not blame Daryl, as it makes no sense to blame him for the actions and motivations of a psychopath.

 

[sojourner]

Just because we the audience knew his death was coming does not mean we cannot be upset over the circumstances that resulted in that death in universe.

 

[Aragorn]

Meaning the silly WD fans who blamed Daryl for Glenn as if Glenn somehow was meant to / had a chance to survive, when his death plan was set in motion over two years ago, and fans knew he was on schedule for the comic death. So blaming Daryl is ignoring production facts everyone knew was coming.

In story, my point is that MAGGIE does not blame Daryl, as it makes no sense to blame him for the actions and motivations of a psychopath.

There are a lot of stupid Walking Dead fans out there. Laurie Holden got death threats when Andrea shot Daryl in season 2.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I was really enjoying season 7. I thought Negan was a welcome breath of fresh air into this show... then I got the Walking Dead comics for Christmas. I started from the beginning, and I've already blown past where they are in the show. Jesus, this show moves at a glacial pace. Don't get me wrong, I love a slow burn kind of show (Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, The Strain, Bates Motel), but goddamn this show is ridiculous! They've taken what may amount to seven to twelve issues of the comics, max, and dragged it out over a frigging season and a half! The comics may have ruined me, but hopefully next season will pick up the pace a bit.

 

[Starkers]

That's if it was Daryl in that scene.

I wondered if it was Dwight.

Sorry but, in universe at least, Glen is probably dead because of Daryl. I only say possibly because for all we know Negan might have capped a second member of the group even if Daryl hadn't taken a swing. That doesn't mean I think Daryl should carry that guilt forever, but he should sure as hell learn from that mistake and clearly he hasn't. I really like Daryl but he's been a rubbish character for a while now, it's like the writers don't know what to do with him apart from have him look surly.

I really wish they'd trim the number of characters because I'm losing the will to live at times. First time we've seen Maggie in, how long? I'm tired of only seeing major characters every four or five episodes. How much screen time has Rosita had compared to Maggie this half season? That said I was actually pleased when Sasha did what she did, if only because Rosita finally got some character development. Christ I hope Sonequa is better served by the Discovery writers though!

Will we see Sasha die? Will Negan make Eugene kill her? Will Negan figure out that if one member of Rick's group he thought was dead wasn't, then maybe the other one isn't either?

I still can't figure Eugene out. Either he was too scared to run, genuinely prefers his life now, or really is playing a long game against Negan. I have a sneaking suspicion its somewhere between the first two options but I hope I'm pleasantly surprised and it is actually the third.

Anyhow, dull episode but hopefully the next two (are there just two left?) will be better.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I think Darryl was "guilty" of causing Glenn's death (to a certain degree) . But the talk with Maggie was awesome.... he clearly owned it. But Maggie, as Glenn's widow, was able to provide genuine forgiveness to Darryl. Other than it's "not your fault" (which to me is debateable, but appropriate for Darryl's mental state and really addressing who Negan is), all she said was true. Darryl is a "good one". And Glenn over these months has certainly thought of that of Darryl, and I am sure has mentioned that over time. And she is right -- the not just need to fight, they need to win.

Maggie definitely deserves to be leader of Hilltop and will do a great job.

I too am hoping Eugene has a long game...or at least a change of heart at the right time. He knows how strong Negan is right now, and he might not make it out. So he might actually enjoy his position now.

I was hoping Sasha's fate might be vague...so in case Discovery doesn't work out, she can come back. But I guess not...

Speaking of mystery fates...what happened to Heath? Is he officially dead or missing? Or just quiet ? Tara doesn't seem worried about him!

 

[Turtletrekker]

Speaking of mystery fates...what happened to Heath? Is he officially dead or missing? Or just quiet ? Tara doesn't seem worried about him!

There has been no word on the character's fate, but the actor is playing the new Jack Bauer on 24: Legacy.

 

[kitik]

There has been no word on the character's fate, but the actor is playing the new Jack Bauer on 24: Legacy.

Corey Hawkins was also hanging out with Kong on Skull Island.

As for Heath, he's alive. His character has been set up perfectly to magically bring in any sort of group they want to add to the show over the next few seasons. It's just a question of when the actor will be available and when they want to use his particular deus ex machina on the show. Well I guess they wouldn't even have to deus ex machina him, they could simply use him as an easily understandable plot explanation for a new group of characters (be they threats or friends).

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Sorry but, in universe at least, Glen is probably dead because of Daryl. I only say possibly because for all we know Negan might have capped a second member of the group even if Daryl hadn't taken a swing.

After Abraham's murder, Rick was still defiant--Negan beat that drum over and over again (ultimately leading to his pressuring Rick to cut off Carl's arm, or threaten another beating). It was all on Rick--as long as Negan saw defiance in his eyes, the horror would continue, so even if Daryl sat still, the surrounding circumstances probably would have moved Negan to kill again.

I really like Daryl but he's been a rubbish character for a while now, it's like the writers don't know what to do with him apart from have him look surly.

Part of Daryl being the Violent Impulsive Dumbass--it plays into this "rebel with a suffering heart of gold" that made the fangilrs swoon for six seasons, so Gimple, et al., will not do much to change that--unless Carol dies.

I really wish they'd trim the number of characters because I'm losing the will to live at times. First time we've seen Maggie in, how long? I'm tired of only seeing major characters every four or five episodes. How much screen time has Rosita had compared to Maggie this half season?

The trimming is already starting; Sasha is a guaranteed death (thanks to Star Trek), and Gimple said there would be more losses at the end of the season. Since I have no use for Rosita (and her heart-to-heart did nothing to explain her neverending asshole behavior), I would not mind her receiving the bite from walker-Sasha, and in a way, it would be the perfect end to al things Abraham where his romances are concerned. I just hope its not Morgan or Carol, as both would too predictable: with Carol, the second she returns to the "army," she dies (probably a willing sacrifice) or Morgan, who loses the remainder of Eastman's influence, and finally dies a violent man, making his entire positive transformation seem like an aberration.

Will we see Sasha die? Will Negan make Eugene kill her?

I think Eugene will use his poison pill on Sasha (that was not created just to be a one-off issue) when she realizes she will be killed in another manner.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Talking Dead should've waited and scheduled Steven Ogg and Michael Rooker to be on the same couch. And if they could someone throw Walter Goggins (maybe he's a "superfan"?) in the mix they'd have a great collection of intense odd looking characters.

 

[Trekker4747]

Assorted thoughts and musings:

I've been one to often defend Rick's decisions and such over the course of the series as seeing him as still, overall, being the "greater good" over things. Killing the surrendering Termites? I get it, they were a huge danger and fucked up people. Killing The Saviors in satellite station outpost without direct provocation? I get it on the information they had about this group and the previous encounter(s) they've had with them in the bast (notably the bikers intercepting the fuel truck with Daryl, Sasha and Abraham on the road.) He doesn't always make the best of decisions, sure, but on the whole they're ones that to me make some level of sense.

Here? I can't quite defend this. I "get" them needing to get the guns and having limited choices in the matter and to Rick's credit they tried to do it peacefully without killing anyone and only using their guns (and wasted explosives) for suppression and not harm, and a good scene with The Group/Alexandrians and The Oceansiders group fighting the mini-herd of walkers together; I had hoped this would've gotten The Oceansiders to fight with Rick and everyone else regardless of what what's-her-name says. But The Oceaniders decided not to fight, so I thought it was kind of shitty for Rick to take their entire armory. While I'm sure they could have other guns stashed away somewhere and they're, relatively, "safe" from outside intrusion given their isolation it'd seem "fair" to me for Rick to have only taken half or 2/3s of them or something. I wouldn't go as far as to say, "Rick is no better than Negan" here, as he didn't use violence or death to do this, and I take him at his word he'll return the guns when the battle is over (don't see how since he's got to give these, or some of these, to The Scavengers but maybe he's counting on acquiring a bunch from the fight with The Sanctuary.

After thinking about the end of last week's episode I was more and more convinced it was Dwight who intercepted Rosita at the end of last week's episode, was waiting for Dwight to fully turn against Negan and join Rick and Alexandria.

The stuff with Sasha at The Sanctuary was pretty good but when she was talking to Eugene through the door she might as well have said, "Look, I've got another TV series to be on next year, so if you can find a way for me to be killed off that would be great." Though I wonder if she wasn't playing Eugene just as the wives were but was just better at it, when she was pleading with him through the door she sounded a bit too "fake" and it didn't come across as bad acting from the actress but bad "acting" from Sasha.

Eugene, man, I'm kind of losing faith in you, man. You seem too turned.

It's been the better part of 3-4 years and Greggory hasn't killed a walker yet? To the point of being visibly sick at doing it and at the sight of it? I know he's been isolated, as the Alexandrians were, from the "horrors" in this world but, come-on man!

Looking forward to next week's finale and to see where this all leaves us until October.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

"Something They Need"--

Maggie should not be so comfortable tuning her back on Gregory. Underestimating a calculating weasel is not being bright.

Of note are the introspective moments that might give a clue about who will (or will not) be able to survive the coming war; Carl thinks about those he kills as well the those he did not (get a chance to), so he's likely thinking about the consequences of his actions. Michonne seemed to hesitate when lining up Oceanside's leader in her sights, and Enid (carefully listening to Carl)was very nervous when holding the gun on said leader. Seems like she might freeze at the worst time.

Sasha's entire arc has never been too developed, but her "you live, I die because Maggie does not need me" (to Rosita) is so nonsensical and rushed, all thanks to Star Trek. Her begging Eugene for a way to commit suicide also seems like a move just to have the comic Holly death be season seven's last big tragedy, but it all falls flat when one does not feel too much of a loss for a character that was there to be a sounding board for others, whether it was Tyreese, Maggie or Abraham. Still, if the Holly death is adapted in full, I say again, that I would not be shocked if Rosita is the victim of the bite, or perhaps a complete innocent like Enid for ultimate shock value.

Dwight....still think he's trying to play both sides and step out of the rubble the leader of a community.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I was thinking Gregory might want more than a three-inch blade to dispatch a zombie but I think Maggie used a garden spade.

 

[Borgminister]

"Something They Need"--

Maggie should not be so comfortable tuning her back on Gregory. Underestimating a calculating weasel is not being bright.

Of note are the introspective moments that might give a clue about who will (or will not) be able to survive the coming war; Carl thinks about those he kills as well the those he did not (get a chance to), so he's likely thinking about the consequences of his actions. Michonne seemed to hesitate when lining up Oceanside's leader in her sights, and Enid (carefully listening to Carl)was very nervous when holding the gun on said leader. Seems like she might freeze at the worst time.

Sasha's entire arc has never been too developed, but her "you live, I die because Maggie does not need me" (to Rosita) is so nonsensical and rushed, all thanks to Star Trek. Her begging Eugene for a way to commit suicide also seems like a move just to have the comic Holly death be season seven's last big tragedy, but it all falls flat when one does not feel too much of a loss for a character that was there to be a sounding board for others, whether it was Tyreese, Maggie or Abraham. Still, if the Holly death is adapted in full, I say again, that I would not be shocked if Rosita is the victim of the bite, or perhaps a complete innocent like Enid for ultimate shock value.

Dwight....still think he's trying to play both sides and step out of the rubble the leader of a community.

Good points, except that I didn't get the vibe that Sasha was thinking about suicide, but still about killing Negan, judging by her reactions in the cell to potentially getting a weapon to "kill herself".